Helene Elliott chose to go to France to write columns on women's World Cup Soccer tournament when she could be covering the Frank Meza story in LA. Let me think about this :
Paid trip to France vs. Meza story at home, hmm
paid trip to France vs. Meza story at home.,hmm
Man what a tough decision
I actually am surprised Ghost doesn’t know Burfoot! Because I do. Ghost is a coach, supposedly; does he coach his runners to disrespect other runners? Burfoot is a better runner than Ghost (like I said, jealous), and Burfoot became a good runner by running. To complain Burfoot isn’t treating it like Watergate is crap.
Frankie Goes to Hollywood wrote:
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
I think you have lost the jury here, best let this one go
Sir, I'm a seasoned defense attorney and the evidence is insufficient to establish a CIF rule violation. Moreover, a judge not a jury would interpret the rule, and every judge I know would agree with me.
For that matter, it hasn’t even been proven that he cheated. There is strong suspicion but no proof at all. A handful of Social Running Justice Warriors screaming for punishment on a forum unknown outside of running does not prove guilt. That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.
jesseriley wrote:
Yeah, it could be another troll like Ghost of Igloi who’s disappointed Burfoot didn’t draw blood.
I am not a troll. As I said, the last thing the Latino community of LA needs is a phony hero. Hard to imagine the behavior in one area is not replicated in some form in the other. Burfoot gave a PC driven excuse in my opinion.
Played a lawyer on Netflix wrote:
That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.
There is video evidence, he didn't appear
jesseriley wrote:
I actually am surprised Ghost doesn’t know Burfoot! Because I do. Ghost is a coach, supposedly; does he coach his runners to disrespect other runners? Burfoot is a better runner than Ghost (like I said, jealous), and Burfoot became a good runner by running. To complain Burfoot isn’t treating it like Watergate is crap.
Oops. Did I just drop a name? Lemme pick that up, ya'll.
Agree. Evidence of absence, not absence of evidence, ha ha.
Like me, Burfoot used his own name. Love it!
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Played a lawyer on Netflix wrote:
That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.
There is video evidence, he didn't appear
Can’t argue with a lack of evidence!
HS stepped up? wrote:
Greg Chrisman wrote:
No one cares if he allegedly ran with some kids on a sunday - that angle deserves no further attention.
Did some minor sleuthing. Long beach 2017. Unusual pix (bottom row, leftmost two pix, number 21 and 22 )
Looks like he is intentionally covering/obscuring the number on his bib.
Or maybe he hid his bib under his shirt while he was off course, and now that he's back on course he is making the bib visible again?
Master marathoner, master of disguise.
Sherlock Holmes wrote:
Can’t argue with a lack of evidence!
Stick with me here because this is quite technical but if you legitimately run a marathon, a fixed video camera when the runners are well spread out - e.g. after 20 miles or so will show you at some point unless you hide behind a larger runner unbelievably effectively.
jesseriley wrote:
I actually am surprised Ghost doesn’t know Burfoot! Because I do. Ghost is a coach, supposedly; does he coach his runners to disrespect other runners? Burfoot is a better runner than Ghost (like I said, jealous), and Burfoot became a good runner by running. To complain Burfoot isn’t treating it like Watergate is crap.
If I was jealous of every runner that was better than me I can assure you it would be longer than a grocery list. The point was giving a PC pass is not what anyone needs, Latino or otherwise. For the record, I spent 13 years coaching and teaching in Latino communities.
Golgi Body wrote:
Overboard! wrote:
Yeah, I think he went a little overboard comparing it to an Olympic race. 70-74 age group isn't the quite on the Olympic level.
You guys obviously aren't deep thinkers. The point isn't that the 70+ age group is just as prestigious as the Olympics. The point was to make an analogy with a situation that even a simpleton can understand. Hence, the Olympics. Everyone knows that in the Olympics, if you test positive, you don't get to keep your result.
And based on the principle that all people, no matter their station in life, deserve equal treatment, the same approach should be taken to the age 70-74 age division of West Coast marathons. It's really very simple. To say otherwise would be to say that "you people don't matter because you're not elite enough for me to care about". Apply that attitude in enough situations, and society would quickly fall apart.
And not only that, you are diminishing what are actually impressive accomplishments. A 4:16 marathon (or similar) at age 70+ IS impressive. It may not sound impressive compared to the sub-3's that other 70-year-olds have legitimately run, but aging is not a very predictable, uniform process.
You're right, if FM is not punished for his transgressions, society as well know it will collapse.
lol
btw, you're also right that some 70, y.o. 4+ hour marathoner is not elite for me to care about justice for.
You’re not a runner. Victories & defeats are far more vivid than Olympics, they make a new one of those every 4 years!
Whatever his race is shouldn't factor in at all. If y'all are going to keep bringing up the fact that he's Latino, though, *I* will handle the punishment.
Good thing he didn't give him a pass then. smh
For that matter, it hasn’t even been proven that he cheated. There is strong suspicion but no proof at all. A handful of Social Running Justice Warriors screaming for punishment on a forum unknown outside of running does not prove guilt. That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.[/quote]
Frank, is that you? You sly cat. All would be true except for the VIDEO (not appearing which is proof) and course pictures of him jumping into the course near each timing mat. Nice try. Were you on the OJ jury?
jesseriley wrote:
Like me, Burfoot used his own name. Love it!
The difference is that one is a well known ambassador for running and former Boston champion, the other an anonymous internet troll.
You guys need to move on. There's nothing else we can do.
It's over.