2600 bro wrote:
Almost every vaccine out there requires 3 or 4 doses.
Oh really? Why don't you list them?
This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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carmine9 wrote:
The Janitor wrote:
Post 2198, an hour ago.
You mean where the Israeli source makes that claim?
Yes, the source you posted to support your claim.
If you're now disavowing the stuff you post here, maybe there is some hope for you.
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The Janitor wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
You mean where the Israeli source makes that claim?
Yes, the source you posted to support your claim.
If you're now disavowing the stuff you post here, maybe there is some hope for you.
The source that I pasted that made the claim you mean?
Disavowing your dishonesty.
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carmine9 wrote:
The Janitor wrote:
Yes, the source you posted to support your claim.
If you're now disavowing the stuff you post here, maybe there is some hope for you.
The source that I pasted that made the claim you mean?
Disavowing your dishonesty.
I see. It wasn't you making that claim, you just happened to post an article that makes that claim. Even though you disagree?
Sounds like you are disavowing the source that you posted. Progress.
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Harambe wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
Of course natural infection confers immunity. That immunity is decent. Recent studies suggest, for example, that a single Omicron infection does not confer robust immunity against other COVID strains -- just as single dose of the vaccine does not! I do not think a single infection is acceptable as 'immunity' given the divergence we have seen in COVID strains.
You are absolutely anti-vaxx because you do far more than simply enjoy your purported natural immunity, you are on here posting all the time about the "failures" of the vaccine and various untested, questionably safe regimens you propose instead.
I accept that some people will never get the vaccine for reasons that aren't rational. I harbor little resentment against them. However, if you insist on posting misinformation about the safety and efficacy of vaccines then yeah, you're an antivaxxer and I take issue.
You responded to half my post, as per usual.
The vaccine above is interesting because even more narrowly focused on RBD, not spike.
However, if one has had both confirmed Delta and Omicron, why is that worse immunity than two shots plus booster vs ancestral strain? Oh, it’s not.
People have died because of the vaccine. I know one, and I have multiple friends who know victims. Hence the cynicism, particularly when natural immunity has already been acquired and is very likely more robust and durable, especially w multiple variant challenges.
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VAERs jab injuries reported @ 4/15/22:
1,237,645 Reports Through April 15, 2022
27,349 Deaths
151,589 Hospitalizations
127,836 Urgent Care
188,784 Doctor Visits
9,644 Anaphylaxis
15,255 Bell's Palsy
13,985 Heart Attacks
50,700 Permanently Disabled
39,177 Myocarditis/Pericarditis
30,580 Life Threatening
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Covidiocy wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Of course natural infection confers immunity. That immunity is decent. Recent studies suggest, for example, that a single Omicron infection does not confer robust immunity against other COVID strains -- just as single dose of the vaccine does not! I do not think a single infection is acceptable as 'immunity' given the divergence we have seen in COVID strains.
You are absolutely anti-vaxx because you do far more than simply enjoy your purported natural immunity, you are on here posting all the time about the "failures" of the vaccine and various untested, questionably safe regimens you propose instead.
I accept that some people will never get the vaccine for reasons that aren't rational. I harbor little resentment against them. However, if you insist on posting misinformation about the safety and efficacy of vaccines then yeah, you're an antivaxxer and I take issue.
You responded to half my post, as per usual.
The vaccine above is interesting because even more narrowly focused on RBD, not spike.
However, if one has had both confirmed Delta and Omicron, why is that worse immunity than two shots plus booster vs ancestral strain? Oh, it’s not.
People have died because of the vaccine. I know one, and I have multiple friends who know victims. Hence the cynicism, particularly when natural immunity has already been acquired and is very likely more robust and durable, especially w multiple variant challenges.
No one who‘s being reasonable will say that having been infected by both Delta and Omicron provides significantly worse immunity than two shots plus booster. By now you should know that how Harambe will respond is by saying that if that person has multiple infections AND gets vaccinated, that person will have even more robust immunity. That‘s the point you want to debate.
Second, your point on vaccine injuries is fair and I believe you. But you should be able to anticipate the obvious response from someone who is pro-vax, which will be that there are many people who know plenty of people who have died of COVID and are sensitive to this fact.
Steel-man your arguments, people.
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The Janitor wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
The source that I pasted that made the claim you mean?
Disavowing your dishonesty.
I see. It wasn't you making that claim, you just happened to post an article that makes that claim. Even though you disagree?
Sounds like you are disavowing the source that you posted. Progress.
You think by saying the same thing again it makes it true?
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The same situation is probably going on at the large nationwide pharmacy chains, but they are protected after buying off the Washington politicians.
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Covidiocy wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Of course natural infection confers immunity. That immunity is decent. Recent studies suggest, for example, that a single Omicron infection does not confer robust immunity against other COVID strains -- just as single dose of the vaccine does not! I do not think a single infection is acceptable as 'immunity' given the divergence we have seen in COVID strains.
You are absolutely anti-vaxx because you do far more than simply enjoy your purported natural immunity, you are on here posting all the time about the "failures" of the vaccine and various untested, questionably safe regimens you propose instead.
I accept that some people will never get the vaccine for reasons that aren't rational. I harbor little resentment against them. However, if you insist on posting misinformation about the safety and efficacy of vaccines then yeah, you're an antivaxxer and I take issue.
You responded to half my post, as per usual.
The vaccine above is interesting because even more narrowly focused on RBD, not spike.
However, if one has had both confirmed Delta and Omicron, why is that worse immunity than two shots plus booster vs ancestral strain? Oh, it’s not.
People have died because of the vaccine. I know one, and I have multiple friends who know victims. Hence the cynicism, particularly when natural immunity has already been acquired and is very likely more robust and durable, especially w multiple variant challenges.
Sure, if your immunization strategy is just to keep getting COVID over and over, go right ahead. It's clear the for the unvaccinated, the risks are higher after (re)infection for both immediate severe illness and long-term sequelae. Effectively you are just choosing to take a less safe 'vaccine' (repeated infection) over the mRNA (or other) shots. Your choice but certainly irrational! (Not to mention the societal effects of cultivating longer COVID infections, transmission, variant evolution, etc.)
I'll take my broad memory B-cell response and superior T-cell response that challenges with vaccines give.
Agree that new vaccine modalities are exciting. We certainly don't know enough to insist one method is better than another, so good to just make a bunch and try them if the $$ is there.
You are very assertive that we accept your anecdotal evidence as justification for your irrational behavior around vaccines. Fair enough. I accept that you are using a poor justification to act irrational.
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Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:
No one who‘s being reasonable will say that having been infected by both Delta and Omicron provides significantly worse immunity than two shots plus booster. By now you should know that how Harambe will respond is by saying that if that person has multiple infections AND gets vaccinated, that person will have even more robust immunity. That‘s the point you want to debate.
Second, your point on vaccine injuries is fair and I believe you. But you should be able to anticipate the obvious response from someone who is pro-vax, which will be that there are many people who know plenty of people who have died of COVID and are sensitive to this fact.
Steel-man your arguments, people.
Look, the argument that "I can just keep getting COVID and exposing myself to outsize risk of severe events" is solid. I can't argue with someone who chooses to put themselves and their family through excess risk simply because "Vaccine Bad." Irrational choices with irrational justifications are still choices. I can't force someone to take the vax -- but I certainly don't mind if they, for example, lose their job over it (especially if they are the type to spread misinformation on top of their poor personal choices).
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Wisconsin, Illinois, North Carolina, Alabama - and this is only the beginning.
Lockdowns were long periods where children did not have exposure to common viruses. This is the result.
Remember that.
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DanM wrote:
Wisconsin, Illinois, North Carolina, Alabama - and this is only the beginning.
Lockdowns were long periods where children did not have exposure to common viruses. This is the result.
Remember that.
This has nothing to do with vaccines
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Harambe wrote:
DanM wrote:
Wisconsin, Illinois, North Carolina, Alabama - and this is only the beginning.
Lockdowns were long periods where children did not have exposure to common viruses. This is the result.
Remember that.
This has nothing to do with vaccines
Not only that,but it has already been proven to be false.
The UK has published data to show it is caused by adenovirus, out of the 118 cases in the UK, zero had been vaccinated.
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"The woman first tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec. 20, 2021, during a staff screening at her workplace. She had received a booster shot 12 days earlier. She self-isolated for 10 days before returning to work and did not develop any symptoms."
"But on Jan. 10, 2022, she developed a cough, fever and felt unwell in general. She went for another PCR test, and it, too, was positive."
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DanM wrote:
"The woman first tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec. 20, 2021, during a staff screening at her workplace. She had received a booster shot 12 days earlier. She self-isolated for 10 days before returning to work and did not develop any symptoms."
"But on Jan. 10, 2022, she developed a cough, fever and felt unwell in general. She went for another PCR test, and it, too, was positive."
Is your intention with this post to show that for some people natural immunity is as feeble as vaccination at preventing future infection? It's been established that you can get Delta and Omicron, and that you can get vaccinated and get Omicron.
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Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:
DanM wrote:
"The woman first tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec. 20, 2021, during a staff screening at her workplace. She had received a booster shot 12 days earlier. She self-isolated for 10 days before returning to work and did not develop any symptoms."
"But on Jan. 10, 2022, she developed a cough, fever and felt unwell in general. She went for another PCR test, and it, too, was positive."
Is your intention with this post to show that for some people natural immunity is as feeble as vaccination at preventing future infection? It's been established that you can get Delta and Omicron, and that you can get vaccinated and get Omicron.
She got Covid 12 days after her booster.
This proves nothing about natural immunity.
It does show all these boosters do not stop infection.
If its been established you can get Covid despite all the boosters, why push boosters?
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Denmark knows enuff is enuff.
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carmine9 wrote:
VAERs jab injuries reported @ 4/15/22:
1,237,645 Reports Through April 15, 2022
27,349 Deaths
151,589 Hospitalizations
127,836 Urgent Care
188,784 Doctor Visits
9,644 Anaphylaxis
15,255 Bell's Palsy
13,985 Heart Attacks
50,700 Permanently Disabled
39,177 Myocarditis/Pericarditis
30,580 Life Threatening
Etc.Vaccines were probably a net positive early on for the at risk, but at this point in time they look to be a net health negative, and always were for the young and healthy.
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