Walmsley Making UTMB and Interval Session

D'haene is a Mack Daddy. Walms is a little, sniveling girl. The real mountains always separate the two.

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I know this thread was originally about Wallmsley and then the UTMB but, since it's devolved to the point it has, we should be giving some serious credit to Hayden Hawks for actually WINNING his race.

The dude is only about 14 months out of college and just defeated last year's UTMB winner and this year's WS champ, among many others, in his debut at the distance. His longest race before this was something like 6 hrs and nearly doubled that this weekend. People say Americans can't run these Euro races but this freshman turned sophomore just cleaned up easily. Real excited to watch his progress.

Hombre de las Montagñas wrote:

D'haene is a Mack Daddy. Walms is a little, sniveling girl. The real mountains always separate the two.

Back to R2R2R FKTs for Alice in Walmseyland

Bang Bang, LOL.

Whoever says Americans can't run these races is not paying attention. In recent years, US runners have won Transvulcania, Madeira, CCC, multiple podium finishes at UTMB, etc.

When you get to the ranks of being bashed by LRC you join the legends of the sport.

UTMB is more of a circus running event than true running. It's just too long, going through the night, so it is not simply a running race. Walmsley is the best runner of the group, he's just never dealt with sleep deprivation. I give this kid a ****/***** performance for his debut. He could have crushed the OCC or CCC, but jumped straight into the deep end because he knew the others would not be a challenge.

kljV wrote:

He could have crushed the OCC or CCC, but jumped straight into the deep end because he knew the others would not be a challenge.

I agree but i don't find It a smart attitude.

He should focus on shorter stuff and win races that suit his skills, he will never be the best at 100 milers no matter how hard he tries... He's a speester.

kljV wrote:

UTMB is more of a circus running event than true running. It's just too long, going through the night, so it is not simply a running race. Walmsley is the best runner of the group, he's just never dealt with sleep deprivation. I give this kid a ****/***** performance for his debut. He could have crushed the OCC or CCC, but jumped straight into the deep end because he knew the others would not be a challenge.

And this, right here, is exactly why the Walmslievers are so obnoxious. If he had won, you wouldn't be questioning the legitimacy of UTMB as a "running event," but since he lost you need to spin things so he appears as a winner anyway.

Jim Walmsley may well be the worst thing to happen to this sport in recent years because of the bragging attitude he's brought with him and the mindless mob supporting him. Go watch UFC, why don't you.

Tim Tollefson took 3rd place. Before starting in ultras he publicly made fun of them and every person that ran them. He even wrote an essay about "who is worse? Ultra runners or crossfitters?" He received so much hate he deleted the article. As soon as he admitted to himself that he wasn't fast enough to comptete at the marathon distance he switched to ultras.

Now he is beloved by the ultra crowd.

Tim's article was sarcastic, which a lot of people in the ultra community are too thick to understand. Some ultra finishers take themselves too seriously. The guys at ultra168 have taken a lot of shit for some of their parodies of ultra runners as well.

And it is obvious that most US ultra speedsters only turned to ultra running because they couldn't cut it in the marathon. There's nothing wrong with that, either. People are trying to make a living. I know people who wanted to become doctors but had to settle for being dentists. That's life.

What matters, to me, is how Tim and others behave as ultra runners. I like that Tollefson is a smart racer who sees things in the long term, and who doesn't have a problem pointing out the flaws in the sport as he sees them.

zzzz wrote:

He was overtrained at Speedgoat, running a much slower time that he had in the past. It might have seemed like he had tapered conservatively to you and him after that, but I thought he really needed to shut things down then and regroup. I'm saying that as someone who once had 2 years of chronic fatigue or overtraining syndrome.

This is his livelihood, he doesn't really have the luxury of shutting it down and regrouping. It's not a hobby, it's a job. He needs to figure out a way to either train appropriately for 100 milers or stick to the shorter distances.

See see see wrote:

I know this thread was originally about Wallmsley and then the UTMB but, since it's devolved to the point it has, we should be giving some serious credit to Hayden Hawks for actually WINNING his race.

The dude is only about 14 months out of college and just defeated last year's UTMB winner and this year's WS champ, among many others, in his debut at the distance. His longest race before this was something like 6 hrs and nearly doubled that this weekend. People say Americans can't run these Euro races but this freshman turned sophomore just cleaned up easily. Real excited to watch his progress.

Not to mention Clare winning the women's CCC.

AlfintheAlps wrote:

When you get to the ranks of being bashed by LRC you join the legends of the sport.

Wildhorse and his various nicknames is simply a jealous old washed up has been who never had the ability to do anything, except cry, whine and make an ass of himself.

Oh chill, everyone loves a personality.

Wildhorse wrote:

And this, right here, is exactly why the Walmslievers are so obnoxious. If he had won, you wouldn't be questioning the legitimacy of UTMB as a "running event," but since he lost you need to spin things so he appears as a winner anyway.

Jim Walmsley may well be the worst thing to happen to this sport in recent years because of the bragging attitude he's brought with him and the mindless mob supporting him. Go watch UFC, why don't you.

If any of you fumducks want to see what the race is really about......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TZfvYU_kIQ

Two points about the race.

We finally got to see Killian go all out.

If the top 10 all lined up at Hardrock, what would the course record be?

In looking back over D'Haene, Thevenard, and Killian's training over the past months vs. Walmsley's, he almost literally matches their training volumes combined. His intensity, vertical gain, and mileage is huge in comparison to the European contenders.

It's not that they don't do big days, they do, but their days in the mountains are much slower that Jim's. He's clearly figured out that a high volume, high end aerobic approach is money for him, but I think he took it too far.

To be fair, Tim Tollefson and Dylan Bowman train similarly to Walmsley, and the both had great days at UTMB. I think the devil is in the details. Walmsley benefits from hammering long, steep days at paces that almost nobody else can handle, but he's prone to doing too much too close to races. That's a confidence issue as I see it.

Goucher Needles wrote:

blah blah nonsense

Hey Mr. irunfar/Wildhorse, why haven't you posted the results on your website?????

Maybe because you think 12th through 20th place is eight runners, and you made the same mistake on your twitter account.

sdfasdfasdfasfsadfdf wrote:

zzzz wrote:

He was overtrained at Speedgoat, running a much slower time that he had in the past. It might have seemed like he had tapered conservatively to you and him after that, but I thought he really needed to shut things down then and regroup. I'm saying that as someone who once had 2 years of chronic fatigue or overtraining syndrome.

This is his livelihood, he doesn't really have the luxury of shutting it down and regrouping. It's not a hobby, it's a job. He needs to figure out a way to either train appropriately for 100 milers or stick to the shorter distances.

I wasn't suggesting skipping UTMB entirely, especially with sponsor obligations and a learning opportunity. He was clearly in a hole before Speedgoat, and that's why he underperformed there. Coupled with the Speedgoat race itself, it just seemed to me that cutting back to 80 or 90 mpw was not sufficient adjustment. Maybe taking a week off and then running 40-50 mpw until UTMB would have increased chances of his energy returning. After Speedgoat, no one was liking his chances of doing well at UTMB anyway.

I don't think he needs my advice or anything. He can figure it out. It's just my observation, and response to your previous post.