Who here has done Maffetone Method (180BPM HR minus your age) for base?

Would you recommend one of Phil's healing music CDs to help decrease an elevated cortisol/dehydroepiandrosterone ratio? It is hard to pick just one. Thanks.

https://philmaffetone.com/fitness-guru-enjoying-singing-career/

Did you just say Ms. Paula Radcliffe of Monte Carlo, Monaco uses the Phil Maffetone Method? That is very interesting:

http://eightlane.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Seb-Coe-and-Paula-Radcliffe.jpg

And Eliud Kipchoge? I read that he was at the training camp of Jos Hermens and Global Sports Communications.

Does Phil Maffetone work with Gabriele Rosa, Federico Rosa, Claudio Berardelli, Gabriele Nicola, or Gianni Demadonna in Kenya?

I read that all of the Italians in Kenya follow a high carbohydrate diet and like pasta?

Please clear up this confusion?

Confusion is symptom of early-onset dementia. Consult your physician for proper medication.

rjm33 wrote:

Please clear up this confusion?

It looks like Federico Rosa likes pasta a lot.

http://athletics.co.ke/tag/federico-rosa/

Federico Rosa is not following the Phil Maffetone Method.

(He was also accused of doping Rita Jeptoo in 2014 and Elijah Boit in 2004.)

Ms. Paula Radcliffe and Eliud Kipchoge have never heard of Phil Maffetone.

I rest my case concerning the dementia diagnosis:

rjm33 wrote:

It looks like Federico Rosa likes pasta a lot.

http://athletics.co.ke/tag/federico-rosa/

Federico Rosa is not following the Phil Maffetone Method.

(He was also accused of doping Rita Jeptoo in 2014 and Elijah Boit in 2004.)

Ms. Paula Radcliffe and Eliud Kipchoge have never heard of Phil Maffetone.

Do you recommend an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor or an N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor antagonist for my dementia?

Thanks a lot.

Probably because of the long link my previous message is unreadable, let me post again with the link in a second post.

For those who are familiar with Renato CANOVA's system, I think the MAF pace corresponds (for an elite with a very well developed base of course) to the "moderate" runs at 85% of 10k pace (with percentage of pace the very specific and unique way Renato calculates them... ;-)) that he provides year round to all his runners. For this type of runners, "85% 10k" indeed gets you close to 15-20''/mile slower than their M Pace.

See for instance this sample schedule from CANOVA for a 10k runner:

(link in next post)

You can see there is a substantial amount of these "85% 10k" runs, even in the specific phase of 10k training...

Here is the link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_zzkn1-wR0dZjU1ZjUwNTEtZWZkNS00MmMxLTk4ZjYtZjAwMGJkMzZiMzkw/view

rjm33 wrote:

Ms. Paula Radcliffe and Eliud Kipchoge have never heard of Phil Maffetone.

It seems that your mind is unable to process information beyond 150 character.

What I've written is: "there is many elites who trains a way that corresponds to what the MAF method WOULD LEAD THEM TO."

Meaning: they certainly don't know PM, however their training is 100% compatible with PM's training. Same as when LYDIARD first went to Kenya, he concluded that they were "already training the LYDIARD way".

Also, the fact CANOVA assigns substantial amounts of run at "85% of the 10k pace" to his distance runners, which corresponds for them to their MAF pace, is no coincidence...

This is my first answer to OP's question. Maffetone Method is more of a lifestyle and for certain people is great. OP is 60 yo, right? Taking in consideration the age, then for him Maf may be more appropriate than, let's say, a Canova training method. All training methods have different elements in common. Pace for example. Experienced runners can run at the border between aerobic and anaerobic levels without verifying the heart rate.So is not correct to say that someone is using Maf method because of the heart rate coincidence. Regarding the heart risks caused by anaerobic exposure, here are a few excerpts from a study:

"The adult human heart is not capable of any meaningful repair following a heart attack, which is why heart attacks have such a devastating impact," said Dr. Hesham Sadek, Associate Professor of Internal Medicine and with the Hamon Center.

"Though counterintuitive, we've shown that severely lowering oxygen exposure can sidestep damage to cells caused by oxygen and turn cell division back on, leading to heart regrowth."

With the help of Dr. Phil Maffetone’s books and website, I’ve cut down my marathon time from 4:11 to 2:44 in just a few years. His work has made a tremendous impact not only on me, but also on my family and friends around me.

I completely changed my approach to running by slowing down significantly in my training. For me and many other runners, patience is the hardest part of low heart rate training, but it really works!!! For my recent Boston marathon PR I trained 94 percent of my runs at a low HR. My runs are so much more relaxed and enjoyable now. I’ve also been injury free even with training peaks of 80 miles weeks.

I modified my diet by cutting out processed carbs and refined sugars. I’ve also learned how to listen to my body more and reduced my stress levels. My energy levels are now much higher and I no longer experience migraines.

I’m a much happier and healthier person because of all the things I’ve learned from Dr. Phil Maffetone and I highly recommend his work to everyone.

dmz

May 24, 2015 at 12:25 am

According to the formula, at 51 (180-51) and taking medicine (-10) for asthma(-5), my MAF number is a whopping 114. This means I don’t get to run at all. Ever. My true VERY easy effort feel is 130’s-140’s. max HR 205, resting HR 44 & have 2 recent BQ’s, 22 ultras and marathons, 90+ races last 5 yrs, not at all injury-prone, plenty of success and improvement, only 9 consecutive days lost on 2 occasions (50+ mile ultra recoveries). I believe the formula is too inflexible for older, well-conditioned, but naturally high heart rate runners with strong aerobic bases from years of ultra and marathon training. My 50 miler are raced at 145-150 HRs, marathons are neg split, no wall, no fade averaging 168-170 and I get almost no drift upward in HR during 26.2+ races. If I could dedicate a time block to MAF, it would have to be something well beyond 114, 129-139 would be my guess.

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Ivan Rivera

May 25, 2015 at 6:17 pm

Dmz:

Thanks for your comment. I’m an editor on the site. The 180-formula gives you the maximum heart rate at which you’re likely to be functioning completely aerobically. Despite the fact that your perceived effort is minimum at the 130, most likely you’re using your anaerobic system. You may be extremely resilient and far from overtraining or injury as you train. That said, if you don’t go at your MAF heart rate, it’s likely that you won’t be developing your aerobic base at the fullest extent.

If you do, however, you’ll most likely see your speed to climb quickly, particularly if you’re not injured or overtrained.

I hope this helps. Please shoot back with any questions or comments.

These posts remind of the days when John Kellogg would try to make it seem like every successful runner was basically using his methods.

He could shoehorn practically any method into fitting his own philosophy.

No, people were training in standard ways that Maffetone tried to claim was his.

This has always been evolving in ways since Shorter and has nothing to do with Maffetone.

Radcliffe and Kipchoge did not do Maff training. Radcliffe and Kipchoge did Radcliffe and Kipchoge training which evolved from what other elite runners were doing.

This nonsense has to stop.

BBen wrote:

For those who are familiar with Renato CANOVA's system, I think the MAF pace corresponds (for an elite with a very well developed base of course) to the "moderate" runs at 85% of 10k pace (with percentage of pace the very specific and unique way Renato calculates them... ;-)) that he provides year round to all his runners. For this type of runners, "85% 10k" indeed gets you close to 15-20''/mile slower than their M Pace.

See for instance this sample schedule from CANOVA for a 10k runner:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_zzkn1-wR0dZjU1ZjUwNTEtZWZkNS00MmMxLTk4ZjYtZjAwMGJkMzZiMzkw/view

You can see there is a substantial amount of these "85% 10k" runs, even in the specific phase of 10k training...

Yeah well, it's Canova System and has nothing to do with Maff. Stop trying to claim that you invented the wheel.

fred wrote: Yeah well, it's Canova System and has nothing to do with Maff. Stop trying to claim that you invented the wheel.

He never stated that. Rather, various coaches with different approaches have come to the similar conclusion that a pace close to the aerobic threshold helps improving endurance during base phase.

I think that what makes Maffetone's system unique is that he has made a solid effort to locate AeT via objective methods (using HR), whereas before Maffetone (eary 80's), coaches use often vague and even misleading terms.

I remember being in high school in the 70's, trying to figure out what pace to do my long runs. I knew that guys like Clayton and Snell ran 5:00-6:00/mile all the time, but I was no Clayton or Snell. I broke down even trying to do 7:00 most of the time. Lydiard used terms like "1/4 effort" or "1/2 effort" which were frustratingly vague. Those terms probably worked fine when he was present with his athletes, but were almost indecipherable through his writings.

Although I didn't use Maffetone's method directly, I was influenced by his writings when building my base. As a result I went from an also-ran in HS and college to numerous national masters medals and overall wins at medium-large road races, both for me and the runners I coached. I now use a HR monitor, and find PM's formula perfectly appropriate to my own needs and to the needs of my athletes, one of which just sliced almost 20 minutes off his marathon PR to 3:20 in less than a year.

One can argue whether Maffetone's numbers are relevant to every runner, but they offer a benchmark which is conservative, and appropriate to building mileage, especially for aerobically-underdeveloped athletes, which is most.

Maffetone runner Dr. (MD not DO) Mark Cucuzella won his AG at the Marine Corps marathon last weekend:

http://naturalrunningcenter.com/2016/11/17/run-marathon-3-hours-age-50-bacon-eggs-sandals/

Excellent form at the finish.

He knows most of the field has a carb problem.? I like how he goes on about high fat and then drinks Gatorade and glosses over it.

Haha!!! The joke is on you!

I think you need to do some homework on what LCHF athletes eat on race day. If you want to educate yourself, check out Zach B's blog.