Is there any clean athlete? Please name one

Haha I didn't have to look it up. You clearly did. That says it all.

In answer to your second post:

I have a real problem with you COMPLETELY RANDOMLY accusing hard working people of cheating without a shred of evidence.

Metric Miler wrote:

Haha I didn't have to look it up. You clearly did. That says it all.

Heh. I stopped wasting my time on this guy after the thread(s) in which he claimed to know Brazier was dirty. He kept trying to argue that Brazier's FAT-timed 4x400 splits were most likely only 395m, and just couldn't grasp why people kept pointing out the error. It was at that moment that I knew with certainty that he isn't what he claims to be. He's just trolling. Move on.

Just Me wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Haha I didn't have to look it up. You clearly did. That says it all.

Heh. I stopped wasting my time on this guy after the thread(s) in which he claimed to know Brazier was dirty. He kept trying to argue that Brazier's FAT-timed 4x400 splits were most likely only 395m, and just couldn't grasp why people kept pointing out the error. It was at that moment that I knew with certainty that he isn't what he claims to be. He's just trolling. Move on.

Dont talk that way about Metric Miler. Felicia.

And people agreed with me not you.

Just Me wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Haha I didn't have to look it up. You clearly did. That says it all.

Heh. I stopped wasting my time on this guy after the thread(s) in which he claimed to know Brazier was dirty. He kept trying to argue that Brazier's FAT-timed 4x400 splits were most likely only 395m, and just couldn't grasp why people kept pointing out the error. It was at that moment that I knew with certainty that he isn't what he claims to be. He's just trolling. Move on.

Yet you came back?? Just go away Felicia. I'm not going to date you.

Olympic Truth wrote:

Just Me wrote:

Heh. I stopped wasting my time on this guy after the thread(s) in which he claimed to know Brazier was dirty. He kept trying to argue that Brazier's FAT-timed 4x400 splits were most likely only 395m, and just couldn't grasp why people kept pointing out the error. It was at that moment that I knew with certainty that he isn't what he claims to be. He's just trolling. Move on.

Dont talk that way about Metric Miler. Felicia.

And people agreed with me not you.

I assume he was talking about you. I don't remember a thread about Brazier's relay.

Metric Miler wrote:

In answer to your second post:

I have a real problem with you COMPLETELY RANDOMLY accusing hard working people of cheating without a shred of evidence.

That's a decent reason, but I have some evidence. Come on. And you can disagree with the strength of my evidence without putting me down and trying to insult me. But that's your business.

So you were for Lance and Marion all the way up to when they admitted??

In order to be consistent. And OJ is innocent, Casey Anthony innocent.

Obviously not. And there is some strong evidence that says they all use. Im sure you have at least read Speed Trap? And have you studied the subject academically. You act like you did. I did and I am currently working on another study with more predictions I hope to be published in 2017. This board is giving me good info. on the general thinking. ANd I will site LRC in the article. Or you can just go on insulting me. I am almost done here.

yeah me. I thought it was your brother or sister or mother. Tell her make me a plate

NOOO the question is why do you know that. Just to be mean to another.

Stop rambling. You have no evidence. You have studied what? The science of predicting dopers?Please forward your paper to WADA when you are done. I'm sure they'd love something humourous to read. Real drug testing is awfully dull.

Olympic Truth wrote:

That's a decent reason, but I have some evidence. Come on. And you can disagree with the strength of my evidence without putting me down and trying to insult me. But that's your business.

"[Athlete] won an olympic gold" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

"[Athlete] seems to have improved a lot in a few years" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

"[Athlete] beat athletes that may have doped" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

"[Athlete] ran fast times" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

"[Athlete] did not run fast times but won a medal" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

"[Athlete] is from a country with below average testing" is not evidence of that athlete doping.

You have presented zero empirical evidence. Zero. I would say claiming any athlete to be a cheater for any of the above reasons--as you have done numerous times throughout this thread--comes perilously close to slander.

I am not disputing your anecdotal claims. I have no doubt that you believe many athletes to be doping, have heard of many athletes doping, and have known people who've believed other athletes were doping. Hearsay is an okay discussion point; it's far from significant "evidence."

Stop rambling. You have no evidence. You have studied what? The science of predicting dopers?Please forward your paper to WADA when you are done.

I did. And Lance Williams. I did work with him on BALCO, after the fact. But I sent him the paper as well and he called me for info.before he left the paper.

I studied PED use, history, effects on the body, everything from test to GW5150, other Peptides. Catlin's work, visited ULCA's lab, Yesalis work.

Again so you believed Lance all the way up until he admitted. Marion. etc.

I know its speculation, but with some history of users beating the test for decades.

And you ? any knowledge or just the Krunning thing that you knew??

Olympic Truth wrote:

I did. And Lance Williams. I did work with him on BALCO, after the fact. But I sent him the paper as well and he called me for info.before he left the paper.

I studied PED use, history, effects on the body, everything from test to GW5150, other Peptides. Catlin's work, visited ULCA's lab, Yesalis work.

Again so you believed Lance all the way up until he admitted. Marion. etc.

I know its speculation, but with some history of users beating the test for decades.

And you ? any knowledge or just the Krunning thing that you knew??

I think it is fine that you are in the belief that pretty much all the athletes use some sort of enhancer. That problem with what many people seem to have is that you present your opinion and belief as fact and though it may be true, we don't know that it is and unless that person comes out or fails a test, we won't know.

Also, I have a question for you Olympic Truth. As you do seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, what are the best times one could reach without doping or without the thought that they are a doper?

I know it comes off like that. But if I take a softer approach, people don't seem to pay attention. And I do believe they all use. But I am ok with it, generally. Kids HS and college get a very false sense of reality. I know I have coached many kids. Talented. Div 1 big time 3 of them and 1 medalist no joke. I know who used. I trained with them EVERYDAY. Its obvious. They get a little bigger, lean, able to come back so fast and in the weight room wow! The medalist went from struggling with 8x225 to 5x275 in SIX months while getting faster. The other Olympic Trials guy went from 10.7 to 10.1 in 2 years. Instant muscles and speed. And if you read Catlin and Yesalis, they think it and wont say. Speed Trap etc etc etc.

HI OJ tell Lance and Marion people still believe them since there is no evidence.

Idontreallyknow wrote:

Also, I have a question for you Olympic Truth. As you do seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, what are the best times one could reach without doping or without the thought that they are a doper?

10.1 maybe 10.0 but not consistent.

44 it would have to be high 44 and not consistent. Meaning 10 times a year. opening the season with a 44.5 and dropping to a 44.0 type