That was a spectacular race - a thing of beauty and probably the best piece of running I've ever seen, on par with Rudisha's WR. Watching Ayana reminded me of the GOAT, Haile Gebrselassie, especially with her fantastic stride and the blue Adidas spikes. I feel inspired to run.
Going to have to read up on Ayana a lot more now. Didn't realize steeplechase was her first love - much like Barringer/Simpson.
You guys complain if the race is fast would you be happy if the race was pathetically slow (ie. A tactical race)?
What makes you all happy?
12 pages of postings so far and still no one has managed to link to video.
Great race.The Kenyan made that race. Ayana took off in the second half as she had been told to do nobody was expecting that kind of pace.The fact that Dibaba could run as fast as she did while being a shadow of the runner she was in 2008 hints at how much untapped potential there has been at the 10000m.What could a 2008 version of Dibaba have run in that kind of race. Paula Radcliffe ran 30.01 in munich in 2002 on her own in the rain what could she have run in that kind of race. I think we got a look at really how good the Ethiopians /Kenyans really are and have been for some time in an event in which fast times are never chased.
GelindoB wrote:
Renato: so, if I understand well, your conclusion is that Steve Magness is stupid, he does not know to use his brain, and he does not know anything about athletic history.
Is this what you think?
If he IS saying that, then he is 100% correct.
As a coach/scientist, Magness is a 2-bit nobody. Wow, he got a degree in Exercise Science, and then LUCKILY got hired by Alberto, then fired.
That's it, nothing more. (oh yeah, because of his NOP resume/connections, he got hired at some other jobs, which he likely didn't deserve). Just a dumb kid who decided he would be become a "recognized expert in is field" (in his own mind), but basically was living off 3 things: his good HS running, his relationship with Alberto, and his dime-a-dozen degree. Other than that, he's proven nothing as a coach/expert, and most of the things I've read him say or write are completely underwhelming.
800mwtf wrote:
The thing about Betsy is she is legit.
She moved from training with Mediocre runners in Colorado springs a year ago and is training with Shalane/Infeld and many other top notch athletes now. Her success comes from training with people on her level now and not half ass mediocre runners.
Uh oh, the suspicious E. African is training with the Americans/Schumacher's group when she improved a ton? Uh oh, does that mean all of Schumacher's group is dirty by association? Based on the logic of "everyone is a doper" mentality here, I guess so. Can't spare the pretty white girls when flinging around the accusations, right?
You can tell Emma is clean because unlike Ayana she was breathing hard after her race.
All the videos keep getting took down from youtube would like to watch it again.
yeah,im curious,as well.i wonder how much gains can be made from microdosing,and how much gains can be made from huge doses,like the russians apparently did.
Renato, you cannot be serious when you say that all the best African runners are clean. You do not seriously think that Genzebe Dibaba and Ayanleh Souleiman are clean after the Sabadell raid, right?
jjjjjj wrote:
Renato, you cannot be serious when you say that all the best African runners are clean. You do not seriously think that Genzebe Dibaba and Ayanleh Souleiman are clean after the Sabadell raid, right?
Well Balla isn't. He didn't start in the 800. Drugs were found in his room.
This is such an excellent post - can't believe I missed it. Didn't realize she was a former WJR holder in the steeple. From reading her quotes, it definitely sounds like she believes in her sponsor's slogan: "Impossible is Nothing."It's crazy to think that her coach/husband, a "B-level 1500m runner," ran a 3:34 just after he turned 18 (although real age is always suspect) and a 1:46 800m just after he turned 19. That 1500m was 4 seconds faster, and he was a few months younger than Alan Webb during his 1500m US HS record. In the spirit of the "bad Olympics coverage," we can say that this WR wouldn't be possible without her husband: http://www.ethioreference.com/archives/3180----------12/2014Steeplechase refugeeIt was a remarkable result for an athlete who, until just a few months before the World Championships, had spent the previous four years of her track career as a confirmed steeplechaser.Although she improved the world junior record over the barriers in 2010, a mark of 9:22.51 at the Diamond League final in Brussels, after earlier that summer finishing fifth at the IAAF World Junior Championships in Canada, Ayana admits she had no particular affinity for the event.“I got into the steeplechase because I did not want to disappoint my club (Defence Sports Club) coaches when they scouted me during a regional event.“But I also thought that after four years, the 5000m would be more difficult. I was afraid of moving up to the 5000m when my husband Soresa Fida first mentioned the idea.“I was very hesitant, but after a lot of discussions, I decided to give it a go.“My manager also questioned my potential over the event, but I remember Soresa saying ‘whether she can cope or not, she must try it’. I decided to listen to his advice and have no regrets today.â€After a successful year in 2014, Ayana is already looking forward to the 2015 outdoor track season where her major ambitions are to win the 5000m world title and attempt the world record over the event.“Breaking the world record is possible,†said Ayana, whose personal best is nearly 14 seconds behind Tirunesh Dibaba’s mark of 14:11.15.“And I will be thinking about it whenever there are favourable conditions,†she added.
RIC roll wrote:
The discussion is missing a few of the most important factors about Ayana's development that led to this record performance.
1) She trained primarily for the steeple her entire career until 3 years ago. She's 25, so we're talking 4+ years of steeple training where she broke the world junior record, before failing to break into the world class level as a senior, due to injuries / fear of the barriers, switching to 5k and immediately becoming competitive at a world class level. This development pattern reminds me of Jenny Simpson, only difference being Simpson dropped down to the 1500 after her steeple period, rather than going up. Switching events and training, even more so than switching coaches, we have seen can put an athlete instantly on a new level when done correctly. This is what she was talking about when she spoke about training "especially for the 5k and 10k."
2) Ayana ran the 10k WR in her second race at the event, having solo time trialled the 8th fastest time ever, and after running comparable 5k times the pasd two years. This reminds me of how Chris Solinsky, once a LR fan favorite, set the American Record in the 10k in his first attempt at the event, moving up from the 5k.
3) In profiles of Ayana easily available online through a Google search, she talks about how her husband, once a B-level 1500m runner, is her coach, and controls all aspects of her training and her life. Such a coaching setup, I expect, is somewhat unusual, even in Ethiopia, a nation with more traditional gender roles within marriages than in western countries. From reading her interviews and profiles, it sounds a lot like a Katinka Hosszu situation, albeit minus the televised husband-rage. (For those not following swimming, Hosszu is the Hungarian born, American-trained, multiple Gold medalist, WR holder who went from Olympic qualifier to dominant performer after switching up to be coached by her husband and changing up her training and the races she competed in.) There is something to be said for clearly defined roles that allow an athlete to give up responsibility for organizational, training and other life choices they can focus on what they do in training every day, without stressing the other stuff.
You take such a plethora of tremendous talents with high altitude living and training, many great runners to train with, and tremendous training practices, including the max sprints the Kenyans did not do much of, and then you add doping and you get total dominance.
rosshm16 wrote:
You can tell Emma is clean because unlike Ayana she was breathing hard after her race.
Good one! The "not breathing hard" proof of doping.
What is that, rule # 303 on the list of 1000 signs someone is doping?
(FYI: find me someone you are sure is clean, and I'll find video of them finishing a race with a fast time for them when he/she didn't appear that tired at the end)
This. A 14:30 5000m is common these days and is equivalent with 30:00 give or take. If contested more often, sub-30 will too.
What third world country you from ?
10,000 meter Pirate wrote:
12 pages of postings so far and still no one has managed to link to video.
Ayana deserves a little bit of respect here.
First, all of the medal winners have to undergo testing. That is how Ben Johnson was caught in Seoul.
Second, the race conditions were absolutely perfect (mid-60s and a light rain for a distance event with little or no wind).
Third, Ayana basically followed the fourth place finisher (Alice N.) until she decided she was eady to continue the blistering pace with a few well-timed 66 second laps.
Until there is a positive drug test or unless there is a positive drug test, Ayana deserves full credit for the win and world record.
The sour grapes spewed by Sweden's Sarah Lati and former Irish standout Sonia O'Sullivan are merely the words of sore losers. Ethiopian and Kenyan runners have always been near the top of the distance running competitions for decades. Could it be their unique altitude training advantage may have been a real benefit since Rio de Janiero is barely above sea level for goodness sake.
Again, wait for the test results of the medal winners. Otherwise, enjoy the fact you may have witnessed a historical performance for the ages.