That has to be the fattest Kenyan I've ever seen. (the guy who just threw the jav)
That has to be the fattest Kenyan I've ever seen. (the guy who just threw the jav)
To me a 1:43.76 after 1:16.3 at 600 is pretty disappointing. After being right at 50-flat at the bell too I guess, so nothing silly to lead to fading badly last 200.
Just one race ... although I was thinking perhaps Rudisha was back to very good form. His last 200 still isn't quite there.
Rudisha's SB is 1:43.58 though (New York)
I rewatched Kaki's breakthrough race the other day, from 2008. 1:17.01 at 600, then blasted the last 100 (field was still with him till then) for 1:42.69.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but when I see a 1:16.5 or better at 600, I then expect a 1:42-high or 1:43-low, unless the first lap was crazy fast.
Big shock for me was how bad Aman was ... 1:46 for next to last. 3rd (albeit a distant 3rd) with 200 to go, then faded big time.
rojo wrote:
alh359 wrote:Centro had no business being in that race. He was struggling trying to keep up with the 2nd to last guy @ about 600 meters in.
He had plenty of business being in the race. He's a 1:44 guy who has a World championship silver at 1500 and is from America.
He didn't run like he had any business bein the race but he had business being in it.
3rd year in a row he opens with a stinker in Europe. Last year it was reported the problem had something to do with needing a toilet.
He needs to get to Europe, and adapted faster, and live that stinker in the Water Closet, not on the track.
Shoebacca wrote:
CoachJD wrote:Farah's sweetspot is the 3000m. I don't think he has the stones to handle a hard from the gun pace at 5000 or 10000. I think Rupp can beat him at 10000, but Rupp has to gamble and go from 3200m out.
Except due to wind resistance any leader loses their advantage. Farah just needs to sit on the heels of anyone who tries to lead and that person does at least 4% more work, which at their caliber is all the difference Farah needs to win regardless of who it is.
True, but you aren't going to beat him over the last 400, so make it a battle of wills for over 1600. And in the 10000, Rupp's shown the ability to hammer for an entire race. It's an interesting dynamic for Salazer...but Rupp should know Farah's weaknesses better than anybody.
rojo wrote:
alh359 wrote:Centro had no business being in that race. He was struggling trying to keep up with the 2nd to last guy @ about 600 meters in.
He had plenty of business being in the race. He's a 1:44 guy who has a World championship silver at 1500 and is from America.
He didn't run like he had any business bein the race but he had business being in it.
What on earth does him being American have to do with it? Need to temper your little patriotic streak rojo it is making you look stupid.
Quick, what was the wind reading and temperature for the 800? Know it had to be too hot or too cold or too breezy or too still. Come on, got to line up those excuses quickly...
It WAS 3:03 with a lap to go. So 59 last lap is correct.
agip wrote:
Farah didn't MAKE anyone play his game - they just did it.
I think Farah just gets in their heads when he lines up.
The guy's run a 3:28 1500, 26:46 10,000 and did a marathon in 2:08, plus has a bunch of Gold medals.
You don't want to be out there leading with him sitting right behind you.
Think you're going to run way from him? Please.
Plus the Ethiopians were rumored to be racing for a World spot and didn't want to put their necks out.
Farah makes them play his game because he wins if the pace is fast or if the pace is slow and he has no problem with either but has no need to lead.
Pick your poison. Lead at a fast pace and be his personal rabbit or take your chances with a slow pace where you keep close enough to potentially attack.
The time was slow but he still beat most of them by a large margin.
That's not how it usually goes. Usually a slow pace means places 1-8 finish within a couple of seconds of each other.
Alamirew was 8th in 13:22 - 10 seconds back from Farah.
Incredible win from Farah.
Mo's back baby!
What happened to Centrowitz? Didn't he close his 1500m faster a week ago?
Mo's in 3:28 shape again. Should be near that next week.
rojo wrote:
alh359 wrote:Centro had no business being in that race. He was struggling trying to keep up with the 2nd to last guy @ about 600 meters in.
He had plenty of business being in the race. He's a 1:44 guy who has a World championship silver at 1500 and is from America.
He didn't run like he had any business bein the race but he had business being in it.
"... and is from America."
LOL.
Rojo, your xenophobia is showing again.
That was a nice triple jump competition to watch!
Mo is looking as good as ever.
Amos, I thought he would run 1:42 off of that 1:16. What ragged sprinting form that kid has, it's just unbelievable. I reckon him to produce some faster times still this year.
CoachJD wrote:
Shoebacca wrote:Except due to wind resistance any leader loses their advantage. Farah just needs to sit on the heels of anyone who tries to lead and that person does at least 4% more work, which at their caliber is all the difference Farah needs to win regardless of who it is.
True, but you aren't going to beat him over the last 400, so make it a battle of wills for over 1600. And in the 10000, Rupp's shown the ability to hammer for an entire race. It's an interesting dynamic for Salazer...but Rupp should know Farah's weaknesses better than anybody.
Agreed: Hoping to beat Farah with a better last-lap sprint isn't going to get it done. For that matter, to support your point, there were how many East Africans there today EAGER to destroy Farah? They could take turns, and that 4% loss is diminished to not much at all.
clerk wrote:ecc.
It's a race, not a chess match. If they want to beat him, they're going to have to beat him between now and August. If they don't walk onto the track as the strongest runner, they're not going to walk off the track number 1.
It's a race, not a time trial.
The time trial might go to the swift, but as the Good Book says, the race does not. Unless someone turns the race into a time trial, it's going to be a chess match.
And chess matches go to the tacticians.
Identifier of prejudice wrote:
rojo wrote:He had plenty of business being in the race. He's a 1:44 guy who has a World championship silver at 1500 and is from America.
He didn't run like he had any business bein the race but he had business being in it.
"... and is from America."
LOL.
Rojo, your xenophobia is showing again.
How is anything he said xenophobic?
joho wrote:
Identifier of prejudice wrote:"... and is from America."
LOL.
Rojo, your xenophobia is showing again.
How is anything he said xenophobic?
It's pretty simple. Rojo displays an irrational dislike of foreigners by postulating that Centro "has business" being in a meet on account of his American citizenship.
For the record, I think Centro totally deserved to be in this 800, but not because he's American -- that's a stupid (and, yes, xenophobic) reason.
Star wrote:
The time was slow but he still beat most of them by a large margin.
That's not how it usually goes. Usually a slow pace means places 1-8 finish within a couple of seconds of each other.
Alamirew was 8th in 13:22 - 10 seconds back from Farah.
That's what is so cringe-worthy to me about Farah. He is content to sit and kick against a bunch of guys who can barely maintain sub 13:20 5k shape. He's avoiding his real event - the 1500m - in order to get the easy wins of the 5k/10k.
Ni mo foofy wrote:
A DL victory? Seriously. He was celebrating like it was the WCs. He's is a bozo. This proves once and for all Farah is a fraud. Not even close to the GOAT.
He'a a great racer but a p***y runner.
I would gladly race like a p***y if it meant I could DL races with ease. Not even a question. There are no style points in track, nobody hands out medals or money for who runs the ballsiest race. If you want to get patted on the back for making a run harder than it has to be to win, go run a tough mudder.
anacondarunner wrote:
Pre would be rolling in his grave.
And if our modern runners got their clocks cleaned because they didn't understand how to use tactical, sensible running to maximize their chances of winning, Bowerman would be rolling in his grave.