Talkin' HEPS XC, 2009!

Also Yale women and Princeton men.

Hard to believe that Yale's women will be fighting not to repeat in the cellar--with the same coach, they were a national force ~20 years back. What happened?

sdfa wrote:

Also Yale women and Princeton men.

Hard to believe that Yale's women will be fighting not to repeat in the cellar--with the same coach, they were a national force ~20 years back. What happened?

Not as many talented people got accepted. Either that or no one is interested in going to Yale anymore.

Anywho, LRC has their predictions up for HEPS, top 4 for both men and women. While I admire BroJos giving props to the Harvard women, I'm surprised they didn't even mention Brown women who won New Englands a few weeks ago. Is it that Brown women have a weaker schedule than the other Ivies? I don't think they competed as much, and many of their meets were more local compared to other teams who went to the biggie invites... Just an observation.

THIS JUST IN!

Chas Gillespie WILL be running tomorrow at HEPS. It will mark his 2009 debut.

"Men’s Preview

Harvard returns four of its five scorers from last year’s sixth-place finish and is the only team to return two Heps top-10 finishers from last year in senior Chas Gillespie and junior Daniel Chenoweth. Gillespie will make his 2009 debut at Van Cortlandt Park, while Chenoweth has seen success early on, winning the annual dual meet with Yale by 24 seconds in 24:20, a personal best at Franklin Park and finishing eighth with a personal-best 8K time of 24:01.8 in the blue race at NCAA Pre-Nationals in Terre Haute, Ind. Freshmen Jeremy Gilmour and Sean Pohorence and junior Ryan Neely have been among the Crimson top five in two meets this fall." - gocrimson.com

Time to rethink your rankings. Can Chas come back to the form he had last year and crack the top 10? Or will one of the younger wipper-snappers take the 2nd slot? Oooo tomorrow will be so exciting!

Final predictions... News of Chas running brings up a lot of questions (what kind of shape is he in, will he be a factor?). But here's my take (ah, it seems like I came up with the same result as 'parity'):

Princeton

Columbia

Dartmouth

Cornell

Harvard (??)

Yale

Brown

Penn

There are two team battles here: for the top spot, and for the third spot.

It could go either way at the top, but Columbia didn't look amazing at pre-nats, and I expect Princeton to put 2 in the top 4, which may end up giving us a situation very similar to what we saw last year, with a narrow princeton victory.

The battle for third may be another two team race: possibly 3 if you're willing to consider harvard, but I expect a lack of depth to relegate them to 4th. Of course if Chas is able to post a top 15 finish, they can be part of the battle for 3rd. Though I have Dartmouth listed third (they beat Cornell head to head at Paul Short), it wouldn't be an upset at all for cornell to take third, given that they tend to do a pretty good job of peaking for HEPS every year.

Top 5 individuals:

Chenoweth, Leung, Edelman, Cabral, Robbins

What has Cabral done this year that says 4th? Why do you put Robbins in front of Zablocki? Why didnt Gillespie race at all this year yet? Is he just going to go pace Chenoweth for as long as possible?

quick thoughts wrote:

What has Cabral done this year that says 4th? Why do you put Robbins in front of Zablocki? Why didnt Gillespie race at all this year yet? Is he just going to go pace Chenoweth for as long as possible?

For Gillespie, the Crimson newspaper reported a few weeks ago that he was injured, with no injury specified in the article.

I doubt he will only be a pacemaker and not finish. I think he will finish, but he may not place as high as he did last year since he hasn't been racing as much as the rest of the team.

Men predictions:

Columbia

Princeton

Harvard

Cornell

Dartmouth

Brown

Penn

Yale

notes: close between 1/2; close between 3/4/5

Women predictions:

Princeton

Columbia

Harvard

Cornell

Brown

Penn

Dartmouth

Yale

notes: close between 3/4

And we'll see by ~1pm as to who predicted this the best. Good luck to all teams (but in particular, GO HARVARD!)

Princeton - 61

Cornell - 78

Columbia - 81

Dartmouth

Harvard

Brown

Penn

Yale

Ok, it's 11:50am... if things started on time the women should be done by now. Anyone know of any results?

Ok, I spoke too soon:

HEPSTRACK.com

Costello & Princeton Again

October 30, 2009

The Heps women’s race has finished and Princeton senior Liz Costello has won her third straight Heps championship by a wide margin. The Stafford, Pa., native becomes the first three-time women’s champion since Harvard’s Kate Wiley won in 1982, 1983 and 1984.

Remarkably, Princeton runners took the top five places, becoming the first League team — men’s or women’s — to score a perfect 15 points. More to come.

Princeton Assistant Athletic Director Jerry Price has reported the first quote of the day: “Brown had the best cookies.”

Wow

Princeton women drop 15 on the field.

Costello wins by a bunch and is followed across the line by four teammates.

Great job ladies! Wow 1-5!

Chenoweth (Harvard) won the mens title, while Columbia edges out Princeton 60 to 61.

Mens:

Team Scores

1. Columbia, 60

2. Princeton, 61

3. Dartmouth & Cornell, 90

5. Brown, 106

6. Harvard, 139

7. Yale, 160

8. Penn, 215

Individual Top 10 Finishers

1. Dan Chenoweth (Harvard), 25:09.2

2. Christian Escareno (Brown), 25:19.7

3. Brian Leung (Princeton), 25:28.0

4. Nate Edelman (Cornell), 25:31.2

5. Brendan Martin (Columbia), 25:31.2

6. Donn Cabral (Princeton), 25:37.9

7. Duriel Hardy (Brown), 25:40.6

8. Kyle Merber (Columbia), 25:41.9

9. Tom Robbins (Dartmouth), 25:42.4

10. John Loeser (Brown), 25:43.1

Womens:

Team Scores

1. Princeton, 15

2. Harvard, 69

3. Columbia, 75

4. Cornell, 97

5. Brown, 119

6. Dartmouth, 167

7. Penn, 195

8. Yale, 238

Individual Top 10 Finishers

1. Liz Costello (Princeton), 16:55.7

2. Alex Banfich (Princeton), 17:12.9

3. Sarah Cummings (Princeton), 17:15.5

4. Ashley Higginson (Princeton), 17:18.0

5. Reilly Kiernan (Princeton), 17:21.5

6. Claire Richardson (Harvard), 17:28.1

7. Ariel Wright (Brown), 17:33.9

8. Jackie Drouin (Columbia), 17:37.4

9. Stephanie Pancoast (Cornell), 17:37.4

10. Julie Quinn (Columbia), 17:46.0

Congrats all around.

This meet was a faster year on the women's side.

2008 Order of Finish (time difference)

1. Liz Costello (Princeton), 16:59.9; (-4.2s)

2. Megan Brandeland (Princeton), 17:34.8; (graduated)

3. Reilly Kiernan (Princeton), 17:36.3; (-14.8s)

4. Claire Richardson (Harvard), 17:43.0; (-14.9s)

5. Alexa Glencer (Princeton), 17:43.4;

6. Sarah Cummings (Princeton), 17:44.0; (-28.5s)

7. Jolee Van Leuven (Princeton), 17:47.2; (graduated)

8. Meaghan Lessard (Columbia), 17:51.5; (out of top 10)

9. Ashley Higginson (Princeton), 17:55.5; (graduated)

10. Liz Deir (Princeton), 17:57.3.

The mens race was slower than last year... check them out below.

Mens 2008 Order of finish

1. Ben True (Dartmouth), 23:59.6; (graduated)

2. Michael Maag (Princeton), 24:32.4; (graduated)

3. Zac Hine (Cornell), 24:43.3; (graduated)

4. Ben Sitler (Princeton), 24:46.1;

5. Chas Gillespie (Harvard), 24:47.3; (out of top 10)

6. Brian Leung (Princeton), 24:48.8; (+39.2s)

7. Duriel Hardy (Brown), 24:52.3; (+47.7s)

8. Dan Chenoweth (Harvard), 24:52.5; (+18.7s)

9. Glenn Randall (Dartmouth), 24:53.3;

10. Tom Poland (Columbia), 25:05.5.

Just an interesting comparison I thought. Shows how the course has really changed things up...

C/M Runner wrote:

This meet was a faster year on the women's side.

The [men's] race was slower than last year.

Just an interesting comparison I thought. Shows how the course has really changed things up...

No question. The first comment from Peter Farrell, when he heard about Costello's time: "That means the course is short." We already know that the "real" VCP course won't be available next year, either, so we'll just have to get used to places, not times.

Women's results (team, then individual):

Princeton's sixth woman didn't get in until 17th place, but it only takes five... Harvard graduates no one from their top seven--interesting to see whether they can close the gap next year. Given the recruiting dedication/advantages of those two schools (no one can beat their financial aid packages), the rest of the league has its work cut out for the next few years.

The men's race was just as close as many had predicted (team, then individual):

Incredibly, only two of the first sixteen men were seniors.

As for my beloved Big Red: Both squads had good-but-not-great races, I'd say. The women had legitimately (I thought) aspired to a top-three finish. It'll be interesting to see how they run at Regionals--they're certainly capable of doing very well there. Seems like, for the last few years now, they've had better performances at Regional/ECAC than at Heps--not sure why.

Cornell graduates the men who finished 3-4-5-6-9 for them today. Their much-ballyhooed freshmen were not much in evidence (not that frosh often are--the first one today was Harvard's Galebach, in 29th), but frosh in the Big Red program seem to progress longer-term, e.g. Edelman--they should be ready to contribute next year. Someone will have to!

Finally: Congrats to Columbia's men on their win. They were truly overjoyed. I thought both they and Princeton handled the close finish with class.

Why is cornell not places 3rd and dartmouth 4th by tie-breaker rule?

cmon teams wrote:

Why is cornell not places 3rd and dartmouth 4th by tie-breaker rule?

What is the tie-breaker rule?

Ties are not broken at Heps.

thoughts? why is no one saying anything? that was crazy!