Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
You do not have the consumption of paracetamol in pregnant women. The one year blip is useless to your point. Also, if you were using your reasoning consistently then you'd have to accept the correlation between the highest consumption with the 2nd highest rates in the Nordic countries. But you don't so its not a valid excuse for both of those reasons.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
included in this analysis with the addition of four separate sibling-controlled study analyses
Sibling-controlled studies were included. Further...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
sibling comparison analyses have significant limitations that affect their interpretation. Only sibling pairs discordant on both exposure and outcome contribute to “within-pair” association, leading to strongly reduced statistical power compared to full cohort analyses.
But lets pile on...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
an earlier sibling-controlled study by Brandlistuen et al., using the same Norwegian MoBa cohort but with continuous neurodevelopment outcome measures, had a larger sample size (134 discordant pairs) and found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment in the sibling-controlled analyses
A sibling-controlled analysis which found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment.
bro nobody actually thinks Tylenol is protective against autism. It was a clever to way to show the very fragile logical footing your argument relied upon… and it worked!
The crazy people who try to cure autism have accidentally killed a few kids. Look up hyperbaric chamber accidents and chelation therapy accidents. Psycho doctors taking advantage of well meaning but gullible parents. It’s very sad
First do no harm means looking at all harms. Telling pregnant women to prolong fevers or drastically increase maternal stress due to a hypothesis with poor quality supporting data is likely doing harm.
Baccarelli is knee deep in COIs. You’re taking his analysis at face value in an extremely gullible frame because… “your side” needs to vacuously defend killers like RFK. Charming.
They're not telling pregnant women that. You're just lying. Its not happening. But YOU ARE telling pregnant women to guzzle Tylenol for no other reason than to spite Trump. And they're already doing it. Well done.
27 studies did not find the same thing. The vast majority of studies are very low power and poorly designed to answer this question. This is like when people thought 20 terrible studies from Iran and Egypt all showed HCQ worked with COVID. Run a meta analysis and OMG HCQ is a miracle drug.
then someone runs a real trial and it doesn’t do anything. Who could have guessed.
One good study >> 20 bad studies.
Of course we have our good studies but Baccarelli knows the gravy train will end if he acknowledges it so he goes to fraudulent lengths to discount it.
We also have sibling control data from an earlier study that, surprise, also shows a null result:
When two of the best methodological studies show the same thing - that should be pretty convincing!
Of course I will end with noting just how far we’ve moved the goalposts:
day 1: “RFK found the cause of autism”
day 2: “pregnant women shouldn’t take Tylenol it causes autism”
day 3: “causation isn’t proven, so pregnant women should talk to their doctor before taking medications”
We are now trying to give RFK and Trump credit for…. The status quo recommendation that’s been around forever. Embarrassing
The irony of a jab fanatic talking Covid. HA!!! Ironically, HCQ is the ONLY drug safe enough that pregnant women can keep taking it during pregnancy. OMG, HCQ is so dangerous!! Its so pathetic I should feel pity...but I don't.
Lets just keep it straight: you're arguing FOR pregnant women to take as much Tylenol as they want, for as long as they want and without medical indication/recommendation. AND women are already doing it. Like I said, psychopath.
bro nobody actually thinks Tylenol is protective against autism. It was a clever to way to show the very fragile logical footing your argument relied upon… and it worked!
It failed because it was internally contradictory and didn't have equivalency on the most relevant factor: pregnant women. That's why I keep smearing you guys with it. It was your own fault so you get to own it.
Autism is caused by a combination of genetic pre-dispositions and modern parenting where women separate themselves from the baby in order to serve the situational alpha that is the modern economy.
This creates humans with high levels of trauma, and attachment issues. I believe autism and it's hyper-vigilance and repetitiveness is s growing developmental adaptation to a terrifying world for the particular human baby. It's brain develops autistically to cope. I believe under different conditions they would be less autistic.
This is not to blame women as its an overall social/communal problem. One that our dear leaders are quite happy to perpetuate, as we are essentially their subjects or worse.
Note well that it is highly advisable to separate a calf from it's mother as early as possible. It's no surprise that the authoritahs encourage that from day one for human babies. Look up studies into mammals and what happens to the young when they do not form an adequate bond with the mother. It messes them up from day one. Y'know when you see those African women with the baby almost stuck to them? That's the way it's meant to be.
And if we cared we would force our system and its leaders to serve those early years and make it easier for women to do that early role but know they will be able to be more than that.
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Sweden doesn't just have the world's best Pole Vaulter it also has the best Scientific proof that Tylenol doesn't cause Autism.
tRump is going to bring out his clowns 🤡🤡 today to tell you different.
Of course Tylenol doesn’t. You know what does? Excessive masturbation. Before you proudly gotcha interrupt with “then how come three-year-olds are diagnosed with autism?”, it’s not the child stupid, it’s the parents. If you masturbate a lot before procreating, the physiological semen rejuvenation process causes advanced ejaculation and glycation end products that epigenetically makes new sperm cells increasingly likely to possess the autism mutation.
There. That’s my theory. Prove me wrong. Hah, hoo!
That would mean every letsrun poster would have Autistic kids.
I remember when ‘liberals’ were largely the skeptical types. They were the ‘natural’ remedy pushers, and skeptical of big government. Now, they are the gatekeepers of everything government propaganda.
This thread is about liberal skepticism towards the evidence-free assertions being made by corrupt, completely unqualified government officials.
It used to be Rage Against the Machine, but now it is Rage Against the Critics of the Machine.
Darvon was legally sold for 53 years. From 1957 to 2010.
Amazing how it suddenly became unsafe.
Darvon didn't "suddenly become unsafe".
Like all medications it has side effects which must be weighed against the clinical benefits of the particular medication. Over time and with additional data it became apparent that the side effects were broader and more severe than previously recognized such that the risk/benefit vs other alternatives caused the FDA to prefer the alternatives.
"Safe" and "unsafe" as absolute immutably binary absolutes are a fiction. The reality is that we use them as shorthand for choices that are relative. We make many choices a day between alternatives that are relatively more or less safe.
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First do no harm means looking at all harms. Telling pregnant women to prolong fevers or drastically increase maternal stress due to a hypothesis with poor quality supporting data is likely doing harm.
Baccarelli is knee deep in COIs. You’re taking his analysis at face value in an extremely gullible frame because… “your side” needs to vacuously defend killers like RFK. Charming.
They're not telling pregnant women that. You're just lying. Its not happening. But YOU ARE telling pregnant women to guzzle Tylenol for no other reason than to spite Trump. And they're already doing it. Well done.
Yes they are. They’re casting doubt on the safety of Tylenol with very poor quality supporting evidence.
First do no harm requires weighing all harms and attacking the safety of Tylenol will lead to women prolonging fevers and increased maternal stress. They better hope the cost of this is less than whatever damage they claim Tylenol causes.
Otherwise they are causing harm to pregnant women and their infants.
Perhaps the most frustrating thing about it is how easily some stupid BS can go viral and be widely talked about just because the right government official mentions it. 14 pages on this thread about easily debunkable nonsense, endless memes and jokes and posts elsewhere... I hate it. And I hate how they keep using autism as the thing, too. There's probably an argument to be made that the MAGAt GOP is making a concerted effort to make "neurodivergent" people into pariahs - autism, trans people, you name, the GOP hates it and uses them to fearmonger.
The label for the medication has always said to consult with your doctor before taking it when pregnant. You’re revealing vast ignorance of how medication is handled for pregnant women.
If you have now fully backtracked to this point where your claim is “moms should consult with their doctor before taking Tylenol” then congrats, you’re acknowledging that the big press conference did nothing to change the recommendations. That’s always been the case.
Which, of course, reveals what everyone standing up there really thinks about the evidence of Tylenols harms - it’s junk and not worth making decisions on.
(Well, Baccarelli has mortgage payments to make so he probably thinks otherwise, lol)
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