Jimmy Kimmel has been fired. Jimmy you can't just make up lies.

he didn't "characterize." to the contrary, he said it's the GOP characterizing and desperately hoping it was a lefty.

this is every bit true. go back to old threads on here when we didn't know a thing about who did it.

it's become the secondary reflex response with every major shooting. first, second amendment and mental health. second, must have been a lefty or (more recently) trans person. before a fact even comes in.

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What makes you think 85% of real Americans will cower to the 15% of hardcore MAGA racists?

this is faux naive stuff. on some other day you might be on here trumpeting the ratings for fox news late night.

what you're leaving out, is, if i am a broadcaster, and half the old fart audience is watching fox shows, and i want ratings, where is my bread buttered. chasing your audience?

and as with the other quote with a list of late night shows to depose, your list implies a totalitarian goal. you don't say, well, gutman needs to chill out and moderate. only our people. and all of them.

How are Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and the Fox & Friends team NOT radical partisans?

The GOP (Guardians of the Orange Pedo) needs the shooter to be a democrat to "justify" cancelling the 2026 and 2028 elections.

(waves hands around in a circle)

oh, i see everyone hitting the streets already, right??

when's the national strike?

the responses, when they happen, tend to be issue specific. trump's game is he doesn't attack suburbanites, he just doesn't do much for them. we saw with covid people will let the man drive this right off the cliff. and then pretend like it didn't happen an election later.

I have never watched a show with Alex Jones. I didn't even realize Bill O'Reilly is still on the airways (I don't get Fox). The Other Fox & Friends are staunch conservatives but they generally tell the truth.

I don't think Jimmy Kimmel should be let go for saying what he said. His employer can do what they want. I am a staunch free speech advocate. Colbert was just so mean-spirited but I would support his right to free speech.

I'm too young to be a boomer.

First things first, Kimmel was not wrong to say that many conservatives on the right started pointing the finger at several groups they hate, also long before we knew anything about the shooter, and his motives. The right desperately wants this to be the fault of the left, even after the assassin made it clear that he was targeting Kirk as a reaction to the things Kirk said.

But even if we pretend it was a lie, this is still protected speech, according to the Supreme Court in 2012.

The Supreme Court made no exception for telling lies over public airwaves. Trump didn't limit his lies to cocktail parties (if he was ever invited to any). Most of Trump's lies were also over the airwaves, and he knew what he was doing. All of them if you consider the internet goes over airwaves too. That captures all the misinformation and conspiracy theories published on facebook, twitter, and other social media.

This "boomer entitlement mentality" is not just for boomers. It comes from the US Constitution's First Amendment, and anyone can say that WHEREVER they are in the United States, and WHENEVER they want, for nearly the last 250 years.

the truth is besides the point. as the now fired colbert once said, it's about truthiness instead. they pimp a narrative. they pimp it even when it's wrong, eg, january 6. for about a week they had january 6 correct. then they decided to back their horse.

another example, the border. day 1 of biden covid is still on and next to no one is showing up at the border and they were already pushing "border crisis." so here they were going to say the shooter was lefty regardless where the facts went. you could see it in some posters on here when they were first saying his whole family was MAGA. like one poster on here was like, wow, that may change things. and then the rest were going to make a new myth. the left has adapted more to the evolving reality. ok, maybe he was a lefty after all. the right would come up with some muddy waters fish story, as dear leader never admits anything.

Aside from the free speech issue...Class and common sense in this country has always dictated that you don't immediately start vilifying a beloved person who has just been assasinated.....It just wasn't acceptable...

But the left is so deranged and hate filled that they can't control themselves...They've disregarded the norms and almost declared war on half the country...

Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences. If she criticized Trump, her punishment is to lose access.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Misattributed to Voltaire and said by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (though Deno may also have said it) but here it is.

Why should she lose access? She criticized Trump. Who gives a F? Everyone should be allowed to criticize any public figure they choose to.

as someone who predates fox news, it was started in 1996, by murdoch and ailes, seeking a conservative audience. when you tout carson and leno, carson predates fox news, and leno had the desk 4 years before fox news even started. they weren't even having to compete with conservative talk shows for ratings.

it's funny to see the hit list of guys like colbert and stewart, because they stepped into a vacuum of programming for left leaning hosts. you had fox spewing right wing stuff. you had leno being tame. so daily show and colbert became the interesting thing.

and then the networks chased that youthful audience.

you'll notice the hit lists extend well beyond the networks to people on cable. at which point we are on past affirmative action for conservative talk, or "equal time" -- which reagan gutted btw -- to hunting liberal talk shows where-ever they air, even on liberal cable channels. do i get to literally tell you fox news can't run right wing nuts? that they need to be "fair and balanced," to remind you of a long defunct motto?

we can debate whether a late night show should be conservative or moderate or whatever, but that reeks of the sort of affirmative action/DEI you decry on the left. and you're ignoring the market forces where they are competing with gutman or whatever on the right. if they hire a right winger to host a channel's late night, is that just symbolic and everyone watches fox still. in which case, culture war and institutional seizure as opposed to really wanting to watch network late night for conservatives.

What goes around comes around. Kimmel posted this when Trump was banned from X (then Twitter)

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Sarah Kendzior

“My first academic article was on the dictatorship of Uzbekistan inventing a group called "Akromiya" that did not really exist but which they used to arrest anyone with whom they disagreed under the pretext of "terrorism". Just bringing this up for no reason whatsoever!”

I have been having trouble researching this Antifa organization. Anyone have a phone number? Address? Anything? Do they have a board of directors? An email?

The culture war is no longer a one way battle as it's been the last decade. Dims need to understand its not their way or the highway anymore.