The cause of these stories is simple - a lack of supply.
Since 1989, the US populatin has increased 50%. But the size of the Ivies has barely budged. It looks like Harvard's may have gone up about 18% from 6000 to 7,100. But gemini tells me Harvard is much international now - like 18% for undergrad vs 10% in 1989. So you are barely amitting any more US students than you did in 1989 and you have way more applicants.
top schools are already like 20-25% asian. those kids are getting in somehow. maybe the teachers who wrote his recs said he's a d*ck. or he came off as a d*ck in his essays.
Ding ding ding.
His essays were about... computer programming according to the lawsuit. He was a one-dimensional kid that didn't get into good schools because he was underqualified. Based on the fact that his dad is claiming emotional distress, I'm thinking the whole family is a bag of d*cks.
top schools are already like 20-25% asian. those kids are getting in somehow. maybe the teachers who wrote his recs said he's a d*ck. or he came off as a d*ck in his essays.
Ding ding ding.
His essays were about... computer programming according to the lawsuit. He was a one-dimensional kid that didn't get into good schools because he was underqualified. Based on the fact that his dad is claiming emotional distress, I'm thinking the whole family is a bag of d*cks.
No one here has actually read the essays. They may have been good, or they may have been horrible. If these schools would just stop discriminating again asains and whites (which was proven in front of the highest court in the land) than we would no longer have to engage in this speculation.
Until then, it is a perfectly valid and reasonable assumption that his race played some part in him being denied.
I dont really care that college admit the perfect stack-rank of of student academic achievement. That’s not the goal of college.
The best way to get into the college you want is to be actually exceptional. People who don’t event crack the top 15% at their school can’t really complain.
That’s like saying a 4:28 guy should get a shot at Oregon
His essays were about... computer programming according to the lawsuit. He was a one-dimensional kid that didn't get into good schools because he was underqualified. Based on the fact that his dad is claiming emotional distress, I'm thinking the whole family is a bag of d*cks.
No one here has actually read the essays. They may have been good, or they may have been horrible. If these schools would just stop discriminating again asains and whites (which was proven in front of the highest court in the land) than we would no longer have to engage in this speculation.
Until then, it is a perfectly valid and reasonable assumption that his race played some part in him being denied.
Assuming he was viewed as one-dimensional for overloading his application entirely on programming is a bridge too far but assuming it is racial is totally fair. Got it.
I dont really care that college admit the perfect stack-rank of of student academic achievement. That’s not the goal of college.
The best way to get into the college you want is to be actually exceptional. People who don’t event crack the top 15% at their school can’t really complain.
That’s like saying a 4:28 guy should get a shot at Oregon
No, your idiotic logic is like stating a 4:05 runner who's 4th on his team should be penalized because his team does so well.
Affirmative action rewards failing cultures. Should Asians commit a majority of violent crime instead? And high-achieving sub-groups of low-performing groups (from cultures that value education highly, e.g. Nigerians) are treated like they're from the failing culture.
A 1350 kid at a s-hole school is absolutely more impressive than a 1500 kid way down in class ranking at a prestigious private school, ceteris paribus. And SAT scores are just one piece of the application.
No one here has actually read the essays. They may have been good, or they may have been horrible. If these schools would just stop discriminating again asains and whites (which was proven in front of the highest court in the land) than we would no longer have to engage in this speculation.
Until then, it is a perfectly valid and reasonable assumption that his race played some part in him being denied.
Assuming he was viewed as one-dimensional for overloading his application entirely on programming is a bridge too far but assuming it is racial is totally fair. Got it.
There is not even any "assuming" needed. It has been proven in court. Colleges bragged after the Supreme court that they will do their best to ignore it and find backdoors to continue discriminatory practices.
How exactly does a kid give "grade point weighted slightly over 5."
A in honors/AP class = 5.0
A in regular class = 4.0
How in the world could a person get a GPA "slightly over 5"? If there is no grade over 5, it will be impossible to get a GPA over 5, or even a 5.0, even with weighting/honors.
Impossible where I live. And, as I mention, in my kids' high school, most of the math, languages and elective are not "5 point classes" until you get to the AP class of the subject. (For some reason, English/Language Arts does have Honors, but math, bio, chem, etc are all weight normally until you reach the AP level.)
where i grew up we took 6 classes. there was no A+ bonus. unweighted was 4 but gifted/honors maxed at 6 and AP at 5. so someone taking 3 honors/gifted classes maxed at 5; 4 honors maxes out over 5 -- 5.33.
it's basic math. (4x6+2x4)/6=32/6=5.33
or (3x6+3x4)/6=5.0
we had honors the whole time in STEM and above III in the language progression. that encouraged you to stay with your junior high language and take difficult classes pushing you towards fluency.
now, a kid could decide, say, i will not take many honors, i will not take hard language classes, and i will game myself a near 4.0 unweighted. but he will get destroyed on rank by people like me taking hard classes even if getting imperfect grades. my B- outranks his A.
maybe the kid's theory was some elite school would see the SAT and the straight As and ignore his class rank and low level of class difficulty is below almost everyone else applying with those test scores.
this is part of what you're missing. at the level he's trying to compete it's a ton of kids with perfect or near perfect testing who also made perfect or near perfect grades -- but in ambitious honors classes. and with a rank mirroring that. his transcript sticks out negatively.
Interesting, I've never heard of a 6-point scale. That system looks wack. I'm 55 now, and the highest possible I could have gotten using UC rules (at the time at least) and taking all the AP classes at the time would have been 4.4, I think. There are only so many classes available that I could take (or that UC would count) that would have been worth even 5.
How big would a high school be that they could offer regular, AP, and honors classes of everything? That is just not possible in a smaller public school.
Assuming he was viewed as one-dimensional for overloading his application entirely on programming is a bridge too far but assuming it is racial is totally fair. Got it.
There is not even any "assuming" needed. It has been proven in court. Colleges bragged after the Supreme court that they will do their best to ignore it and find backdoors to continue discriminatory practices.
It was not proven in court that the excuse maker that is the subject of this thread was racially discriminated against.
What is "phd level at google?" They probably hire a lot of creative people without phds to do exactly the same thing their employees with phds do.
Is there a school offering degrees in "innovating at google?"
Yeah, that PhD line in the article posted by the OP proves itself to be a meaningless phrase.
If you can do it without a PhD (or any post-secondary at all), it is by definition not a PhD-level role, is it? (If some of the staff doing it are PhDs, the research skills and knowledge required for the degree per se are clearly not necessary for the position.)
Maybe this kid should have studied logic a bit further.
According to the complaint, despite Stanley's academic credentials — a 3.97 unweighted GPA, a 1590 SAT score and significant achievements in computer science, including advancing to the Google Code Jam semifinals and winning second place in MIT Battlecode's global high school division — he was denied admission to Cornell and 15 other schools.
15 schools. I wonder how many school he didn't get rejected by and how many total schools he applied to.
Is it just me, or does even applying to that many schools seem excessive? That seems nuts. When I was in high school, I only did one application total, though that was for four schools (all University of California on the same application). UC schools were supposed to accept the top 12.5% of California schools at the time, and I was in the top 1−2% of my high school class (though not evaluated the same way 12.5% was) so I knew I was getting in somewhere for sure (I ended up being accepted at all four).
Asian-American leaders say their young people are encountering increasing discrimination when they apply to the nation's most selective universities.
A researcher who has been studying admission trends said many of the most prestigious universities began restricting admission of Asian students around 1983, after a surge in Asian enrollment that began in the mid-1970's.
"As soon as admissions of Asian students began reaching 10 or 12 percent, suddenly a red light went on," said the researcher, Ling-chi Wang, an associate professor of Asian-American studies at the University of California here. Since 1983, Dr. Wang said, "at Berkeley, Stanford, M.I.T., Yale, in fact all the Ivy League schools, admission of Asian-Americans has either stabilized or gone down."
"I don't want to say it was a conspiracy, but I think all of the elite universities in America suddenly realized they had what used to be called a 'Jewish problem' before World War II, and they began to look for ways of slowing down the admissions of Asians," he said.
I dont really care that college admit the perfect stack-rank of of student academic achievement. That’s not the goal of college.
The best way to get into the college you want is to be actually exceptional. People who don’t event crack the top 15% at their school can’t really complain.
That’s like saying a 4:28 guy should get a shot at Oregon
No, your idiotic logic is like stating a 4:05 runner who's 4th on his team should be penalized because his team does so well.
Affirmative action rewards failing cultures. Should Asians commit a majority of violent crime instead? And high-achieving sub-groups of low-performing groups (from cultures that value education highly, e.g. Nigerians) are treated like they're from the failing culture.
Sorry a person who is 85%ile in their high school is not exceptional. No reason they are entitled to an elite degree.
His essays were about... computer programming according to the lawsuit. He was a one-dimensional kid that didn't get into good schools because he was underqualified. Based on the fact that his dad is claiming emotional distress, I'm thinking the whole family is a bag of d*cks.
No one here has actually read the essays. They may have been good, or they may have been horrible. If these schools would just stop discriminating again asains and whites (which was proven in front of the highest court in the land) than we would no longer have to engage in this speculation.
Until then, it is a perfectly valid and reasonable assumption that his race played some part in him being denied.
From the lawsuit:
Stanley's college application essay was pretty much captured in the Viewpoint interview mentioned supra. It discussed why he created RabbitSign, how he overcame rejections to eventually find a partner to provide free HIPAA-compliant e-signing to help lower America's healthcare cost, and how RabbitSign is the first Activism Corporation created to counter corporate greed.
You did read the lawsuit right? It basically confirms he’s a one-dimensional candidate that isn’t impressive to an admissions counselor.
A 1350 kid at a s-hole school is absolutely more impressive than a 1500 kid way down in class ranking at a prestigious private school, ceteris paribus. And SAT scores are just one piece of the application.
I dont really care that college admit the perfect stack-rank of of student academic achievement. That’s not the goal of college.
The best way to get into the college you want is to be actually exceptional. People who don’t event crack the top 15% at their school can’t really complain.
That’s like saying a 4:28 guy should get a shot at Oregon
No, your idiotic logic is like stating a 4:05 runner who's 4th on his team should be penalized because his team does so well.
Except of course our kid is a 4:30 miler(couple thousand) not a 4:05(a dozen). Sounds like there were 50 kids in same school that were better than him. That isn’t elite…
No, your idiotic logic is like stating a 4:05 runner who's 4th on his team should be penalized because his team does so well.
Affirmative action rewards failing cultures. Should Asians commit a majority of violent crime instead? And high-achieving sub-groups of low-performing groups (from cultures that value education highly, e.g. Nigerians) are treated like they're from the failing culture.
Sorry a person who is 85%ile in their high school is not exceptional. No reason they are entitled to an elite degree.
Not sure how you can argue otherwise.
You're either retarded or pretending to be. Is the 85th percentile runner in an Olympic final not exceptional? But the 99th percentile at a local 5k is? Completely different pools of talent.
