They should have pushed it later. I wasn't able to watch as the real championship races began at 7:45 (women's) and 8:30 (men's)
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English is their third language you tool. Let's see your interview using your third language.
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objectiveobserver wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Surname means last name.
Sorry, as you probably know English isn´t my first language.
Ha, ha -I thought this one was funny since you usually write very good English I think (I myself struggle a lot with when to add -ly endings or not). But you were sort of right -Jacob and Jakob share a similarity in their surnames: they both got two i ‘s there f.ex…
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objectiveobserver wrote:
I hope he will run both the 10,000m and the 5000m. The best guys should go for the double when it is possible.
Regarding your comments on Cheptegei in other posts today: Remember past performances (WRs and Gold medals) aren´t a guarantee for future performances.
If Cheptegei doesn´t up his game he won´t medal in Paris. We might have seen peak Cheptegei.
Yes, I hope Jakob I. and Jacob K. eventually meet in their first 5000m since WC U 20 2018..!
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objectiveobserver wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Will he run the 5? Hasn’t he just done the 10 in years past?
I hope he will run both the 10,000m and the 5000m. The best guys should go for the double when it is possible.
Regarding your comments on Cheptegei in other posts today: Remember past performances (WRs and Gold medals) aren´t a guarantee for future performances.
If Cheptegei doesn´t up his game he won´t medal in Paris. We might have seen peak Cheptegei.
I agree, at 27 Chep’s best days on the track could be behind him. But he has always been somewhat inconsistent for a WR level talent. In 2023 he ran a meh HM in NY (1:02:09) a meh 5000 (4th, 12:53, lost to Grijalva amongst others) then showed up in Budapest and made the 10,000 look easy. Before Tokyo he got 6th in Rome, then won 5000 gold and 10000 silver. Absent that tactical mistake against Barega he’d probably be a 4 time defending champ in world/Oly finals.
The one thing he has been consistent at is showing up for world track 10,000 finals so it remains to be seen if this was just a meh day or something more permanent. Still wasn’t terrible today, just less than we have come to expect.
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Peach Pit wrote:
objectiveobserver wrote:
What do you think Kiplimo would gain to make it a 12:40-12:50 race?
In my opinion Kiplimo is best when he sits in the field until say 800m out and then makes the long run for home. Unfortunately for him another guy (with a similar surname) can do the same.
I don´t think the 2 last 5000m finals were 400m races.
In Eugene a Norwegian runner took the lead 900m out and squeezed the pace before he ran away in the last bend.
In Budapest the Ethiopians set a high pace from 2000m out so these historical fast times were run:
last 2000m 4:56.69,
last 1600m 3:54.14,
last 1000m 2:21.07,
last 800m 1:50.65
last 400m 52:45
last 300m 39.09
last 200m 26:20
Last 100m 12.45
But unfortunately for the Ethiopians the same Norwegian ran away from them again this time over the last 300m beating a Spaniard of Moroccan heritage on the last meters for the gold.
I remembered it coming down to the last 400, so I went back and watched the race. The last 2k was only that fast because the last 800 was fast. With 1k to go, they split a 62, and the lap before that was a 63. From 4000-4200, they were going 61s pace. You can even see in your splits, if the last 800 was 1:50.65, and the last 1600 was 3:54, then they were running 62s the other 800. The Ethiopians definitely didn't set a hot pace from 2k out. Jakob is incredible, but after 8km of rounds and a 3:29 1500 in his legs, even he wouldn't be able to close a 5k with a final 800 of 1:50 (58/52 splits) if the pace was actually hot from 2k out. Heck, even that 800 shows that most of the time came from the last 400m being so fast. Until the last lap he was on track for a 4:02 last 1600, and he turned it into a 3:54.
A hot pace from 2k out is sub-60s. They weren't running sub-60s until 800 out.
So you agree it was not a 400m race?
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USA Women are better than the Men wrote:
I would like to point out that Reid Buchanan finished 2 minutes and 18 seconds behind the winner. This means that he would have been lapped TWICE on the track. Over a half mile back.
On a positive note he would have won the women’s race by 38 seconds. Go Reid.
Lol, could you be more obvious that he stole your girlfriend?! Man up and take it up with him directly.
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objectiveobserver wrote:
snowflakes wrote:
I hope kiplimo finally does what the ethiopians can’t and make the 5000 a 12:40-12:50 race at the olympics rather than a 400m race.
What do you think Kiplimo would gain to make it a 12:40-12:50 race?
In my opinion Kiplimo is best when he sits in the field until say 800m out and then makes the long run for home. Unfortunately for him another guy (with a similar surname) can do the same.
I don´t think the 2 last 5000m finals were 400m races.
In Eugene a Norwegian runner took the lead 900m out and squeezed the pace before he ran away in the last bend.
In Budapest the Ethiopians set a high pace from 2000m out so these historical fast times were run:
last 2000m 4:56.69,
last 1600m 3:54.14,
last 1000m 2:21.07,
last 800m 1:50.65
last 400m 52:45
last 300m 39.09
last 200m 26:20
Last 100m 12.45
But unfortunately for the Ethiopians the same Norwegian ran away from them again this time over the last 300m beating a Spaniard of Moroccan heritage on the last meters for the gold.
Kejelcha hasn't shown a great kick. He'd need to push from 2000 or at least 1200 out to drop everyone.
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annoyed track fan wrote:
Ugh Weini fell off the lead pack hard. Dropped like a bad habit. Hope she picks some of the others off before the finish.
Is it weird that African nations are so dominant in XC with most of them not racing in the high school and NCAA XC circuits, or does it make sense since they train on XC courses instead of roads?
I assume it's hot in africa.
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Is an extremely racist and hurtful thing to tell an American that they really aren't American.
What do you need to be to be a "true" American?
Sadly comments like this wont be deleted on these boards.
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Mike Rodick wrote:
English is their third language you tool. Let's see your interview using your third language.
I'm actually going to take his side on this one. Kenyans, whatever their level of fluency, always want to appear humble and credit the team for their success, and that doesn't make for exciting interviews, especially in competitive sport. It's cultural. Complete opposite of Americans who wouldn't hesitate to (overtly or covertly) dunk on their teammates. Or Europeans as we've seen with the direct shots and endless subliminals between Ingebrigtsen, the Brits and even his alleged teammate Nordas.
Where he's wrong is thinking it's performative. It's not. For the longest time, Kenyans were the only runners to share drinks and pass around water bottles on marathons. A few others have started to join in this but it's still largely a Kenyan thing.
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bigmig19 wrote:
annoyed track fan wrote:
Ugh Weini fell off the lead pack hard. Dropped like a bad habit. Hope she picks some of the others off before the finish.
Is it weird that African nations are so dominant in XC with most of them not racing in the high school and NCAA XC circuits, or does it make sense since they train on XC courses instead of roads?
I assume it's hot in africa.
For the most part, you'd be wrong.
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It’s kinda funny, but I am I crazy to think the best way for Cheptegei, who is the WR holder to win in Paris 10000 is a fast last 400 and a >27 min race?
He generally seems to have the best kick (2 silvers against Mo Farah/Barega), but I wouldn’t be shocked if Kiplimo decides to push 4 laps out with his current fitness and drops everyone.
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Mike Rodick wrote:
English is their third language you tool. Let's see your interview using your third language.
I do speak and sort of write 8 languages, my English is my 4e language. Don't expect that from others, but I do expect content, if you get a podium. Tool.
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El Keniano wrote:
Mike Rodick wrote:
English is their third language you tool. Let's see your interview using your third language.
I'm actually going to take his side on this one. Kenyans, whatever their level of fluency, always want to appear humble and credit the team for their success, and that doesn't make for exciting interviews, especially in competitive sport. It's cultural. Complete opposite of Americans who wouldn't hesitate to (overtly or covertly) dunk on their teammates. Or Europeans as we've seen with the direct shots and endless subliminals between Ingebrigtsen, the Brits and even his alleged teammate Nordas.
Where he's wrong is thinking it's performative. It's not. For the longest time, Kenyans were the only runners to share drinks and pass around water bottles on marathons. A few others have started to join in this but it's still largely a Kenyan thing.
I'm a she and happy you noticed as well.
It's a thing; female in African and Azian countries make themselves smaller than they are. Such a shame.
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I enjoyed speed-watching it yesterday.
There are some obvious scheduling/logistical fixes:
-World Indoors and World XC should alternate and not be in the same year
-Simplify the 10K Qualification through World XC (top 10, or maybe top 15) and one other performance
-Mixed Relay *should* be a great/competitive event with no real downsides to competing, so find ways to sweeten the pot so we get A teams across the board (GB, USA, Spain, Australia, Norway sensing A teams)
-The gimmicky elements are great, more hills would be great if you can and forest/trees/trail sections if you can target
-Not to be an a-hole but some of these Ethiopian U20 b-days on the womens side seem fantastical (yesterday’s winner, Haylom before her). Kenya seems to have cracked down on this, but the number of 15-year-old girls in Ethiopia who are better than their 18/19 year olds is bizarre. It’s really just Ethiopia now seemingly…
Otherwise my big takeaways are:
-Seems like Agnes Ngetich was on her period/cramping…I will not conclude much from the 5th place
-Achol finishing 4th though shows to me that many of the best women can run 29-flat on the road on the right day like Rengeruk/Chelimo who clearly peaked great for this
-The Young Kenyans are coming - Benson K and Masai were really impressive, both could be factors in Paris
-Kibathi has a great racing brain/kick, one to watch as he could be the next Jacob Krop
-Ella Donaghu, dark horse for USA 5k? Storming leg there, and remember Hull similarly had a huge relay leg and then set huge PBs under Julian
-Kiplimo is the favorite for the 10K, and he can break 26 one day in my eyes if he goes for it
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Oh one more observation was Nicholas Kipkorir getting 4th is quite exceptional for him. Could be back to 2022 form. Adizero Road to Records should be fast with all these guys in form.
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