When will legacy carmakers overtake Tesla EV sales?

Sorry, but even just as a poster on a forum your posts carry very little credibility for most of us. You are such an unabashed honk It's hard to believe you aren't somehow on Mush's payroll.

Also, nice job at obfuscation. NHTSA is not the same as FCC. Mush is not going to be pleased when NHTSA forces a recall of Tesla automobiles because of the flaws in their "autopilot" system. You seem to suggest him taking his ball and going to another country. Great, let the almighty Mush go when he has to follow the rules every other manufacturer has to follow. He's turning into a malevolent force with way too much money at his disposal anyway. I know I'd be happy if went elsewhere.

C’mon guy. You countered BI’s report with a guy whose vita reads like a C-student who is desperately trying to impress college admissions. “Frequently answered questions in English class, PE participant,...”

”Singularity University speaker”??? Last year I think US News ranked Singularity University right between Trump University and Rochester College of Clowns. Lol

The consensus is that VW will pass Tesla in EV sales in a few years. Others will follow. If Tesla wants to stave off the competition, it will need to improve in several areas. The competition will inevitably lead to better choices for consumers.

For whatever reason, you are taking these predictions way too personally. Try to look at it objectively and not view industry analysis or commentary as “fake news.”

I said "any other brand of car you buy will never be able to fully drive itself."

Where can I go to buy a Waymo?

I have to go to China?

That's not a car you will buy today.

Maybe someday. But for now, "any other brand of car you buy will never be able to fully drive itself."

Musk's tweet included NHTSA. He thinks NHTSA is fair and sensible. Did you read the tweet at all?

NHTSA does recalls all the time. That's true for every automaker.

You were saying NHTSA would force Tesla to get rid of its autopilot system. That's not going to happen except in the dreams of Tesla haters.

NHTSA would only get rid of autopilot if it was unsafe. But the truth is that the system is already much safer than a human alone.

What's actually going to happen is that NHTSA will force all the other automakers to be held to Tesla's safety standard. Tesla can prove the safety of its systems because it collects all the crash data. Other automakers don't collect the data to prove that their own systems are safe. NHTSA has already hinted about this in a recent statement.

Tesla is the only automaker who was able to give NHTSA the data it was looking for.

C'mon guy. There is no consensus that VW will pass Tesla. One analyst from Bloomberg does not make a consensus.

I am looking at this objectively. I gave you a completely objective analysis based on VW's capacity to obtain batteries. It is just physically impossible for VW to pass Tesla unless they have a super-secret source of batteries somewhere.

VW itself says that only about half of its vehicles will be electric by 2030. That's about 4 million to 5 million vehicles --- in 2030. Tesla will already be there by 2025 at the latest.

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Volkswagen wants half of its vehicle sales to be electric by 2030

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Half of Volkswagen's sales are expected to be battery-electric vehicles by 2030, the German carmaker said Tuesday.

Link:www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/volkswagen-wan...

This analysis is completely objective based on the statements from both companies.

Objective is not what comes to mind the more posts of yours I read. You are taking Tesla’s competition very personally - to the point where you discount people’s personal experience with Teslas and other vehicles. Who does that?

And the fact that you say it is only “one analyst” from BI confirms that you didn’t even view the presentation.

I still can’t believe you brought that blogger as your counter point - all of his 70 Wikipedia citations of him.

I used to think the ravenous Tesla bears were crazy -- people like the cars. Now the bulls are starting to sound crazy.

It used to be "no way Tesla can ramp up production and compete with the likes of VW." Now it's "no way VW can ramp up production and compete with the likes of Tesla."

Objectivity is what I have given you. And you have not tried to refute my objective analysis, which is quite sound.

I have spoken over and over in this thread about personal preferences and how everyone will not want a Tesla.

What presentation are you referring to? As far as I know, only Bloomberg says VW will overtake Tesla. And you call that a consensus.

Good observation.

If there is a way VW can ramp up production and compete with the likes of Tesla (by 2025), I'd like to hear about it. So far, nobody (including Bloomberg) has explained how it is possible.

Tesla bulls really do have tunnel vision. Waymo is teaming up with GM so you will eventually be able to buy a GM with it. I like how you conveniently ignored the lack of robotaxis from Tesla.

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Waymo Joins GM's Cruise Offering Driverless Services in San Francisco to Limited Employees

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After GM's Cruise opened up to the public in San Francisco last month, Waymo announced on Wednesday evening that it had started offering driverless rides to employees in the city. Upping the ante in a race with giant car manu...

Link:www.autoevolution.com/news/waymo-joins...

Tesla recently laid off a bunch of employees. Which companies do you think will scoop them up?

I'm convinced you're crazy or a troll now. Is China somehow exempt from the conversation? Everytime we mention a Chinese company that does what Tesla does, you say it doesn't count because it's in China. If that's the case then compare apples to apples. Take away all sales that Tesla had in China before you throw any sales numbers out to us.

Yep... And Tesla averages almost 20K profit on each car sold Toyota 2K! The average cost of a Tesla being almost 60k and making about 33% profit

Waymo and GM are not teaming up. They are different entities and direct competitors.

There are no near term plans to roll out GM's system in a GM car you can buy. The GM system is only meant for robotaxis operating in a specific geofenced location. And from what I remember, the equipment in the car costs over $100,000.

Tesla will remain the only self-driving car you can buy for the foreseeable future.

A Chinese car doesn't count as a car you can buy in the US. I think that's pretty simple.

If you want to buy a car today that can drive itself, Tesla is the only option. You don't live in China, right?

I've been saying from the beginning that if anyone is going to catch up to Tesla it will be a Chinese company and not a legacy automaker.

And furthermore, I don't think any Chinese car that a Chinese consumer can buy can drive itself on city streets the way a Tesla can. But I'm not as well versed on Chinese autonomous systems.

Of the companies I do know about, I would suspect that XPeng will be the first to catch up with Tesla in autonomy, if it ever happens.

What a joke the stock market has become. I would not want to touch anything this guy is associated with.

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Elon Musk may be sued by Twitter; Donald Trump weighs in on deal

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Billionaire Elon Musk says he's terminating his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter because the company failed to address his concerns over spam accounts.

Link:www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/07/0...

You guys are funny. If a Chinese made car doesn't count because I can't buy one in USA, then stop saying Tesla sold a million cars last year. They only sold around 300k cars in USA. A Chinese made Tesla doesn't count because I can't buy one.