I will also add that I do not think that overturning Roe will instantly cause a major shift in voters to the Dems. It will be a boost, but abortion is not the issue that it used to be. Birth control back in the days when Roe was decided was not very good and could be hard to get because it required (and still does) a prescription. Today, birth control is way more effective, affordable and easy to get (women have no issue today asking their doctor for birth control). Also the stigma of having a child out of wedlock is also something that has almost completely faded since the days of Roe. So, now that women have much better control over family planning and do not face the kind of public humiliation/scandal for having a child out of wedlock, the urgency behind preserving abortion rights has faded significantly from the days of Roe.
They are not children. They do not have developed "brains", and are not viable for life. Heart muscles can beat on their own in a petri-dish, is that "alive"? What about ectopic pregnancies? Ever hear about "ancephaly"? There are fetuses that develop a heart beat but never have their neural tubes close. You'd force a woman to bring that thing to term, risking her own life and going through the pains of labor for it? There a many many conditions that produce inviable fetuses, or medical conditions that put a woman's life at risk if they continue pregnancy. Some rare ones are not found until the later stages of pregnancy. Are we going to start prosecuting women for miscarriages (has already happened in Texas)? It's no one's goddam business, and if you don't have a medical degree, you should not be telling women what they should or should not do with their pregnancy. It's a health decision. You want the government to start poking their noses into these private discussions between a woman and her Doctor? You would force an 11 year old child to give birth? Are we going to start prosecuting people who use heroine and meth during pregnancy and force them to carry babies to term that they don't want? News flash, they won't stop using drugs when they are pregnant. Banning abortion doesn't save "babies", it kills women. Are we going to start to be able to sign our fetuses up for life-insurance (since they are people now)? Can we give fetuses social security cards? Can we claim them as dependents on our taxes? Do we celebrate conception days like birthdays? If a woman punches her own stomach, or smokes a cigarrete, or eats raw fish when she is pegnant, or has a miscarriage for any reason, can she be prosecuted for "child abuse"? The answer is no because the law does not recognize them as being "alive". If it's in your religious belief that life begins at conception, great for you, I will protect your right to have religious freedom and believe what you want to believe. You cannot force others to share that belief in this country and our government must be separate from those religious beliefs, that is one of our inaliable rights/freedoms. Some people claim this is a "christian" nation, no it is a nation of religious freedom which includes freedom from religion I.E. I have the right to live my life without following someone else's religious doctrine or rules. If we do not as a nation recognize the fetus as being "alive", then it is the woman's choice to end the pregnancy without Government interference and with private conversations with her Doctor, no one else gets to be involved, period.
At this point, this is likely a huge over reaction. The truth is nobody knows the full context of any decision and how it will impact abortions in the US, so everything you have written is essentially fake news and may not even be pertinent to the issue in question. The left will use this leak as justification for court packing / expansion of the court and feel a real sense of urgency right now because they know that they are going to get slaughtered in the midterm elections [actually this deliberate leak seems like a desperate attempt by the left to try to energize their voting base and ignore the current state of this country (rampant inflation, a proxy war with Russia, skyrocketing crime, a complete failure of immigration policy, a crumbling stock market, etc.) and sway voters to ignore far more pertinent issues].
But I will bite. My kids looked pretty human in all of their ultrasound pictures. At their first ultrasound (at about 9 weeks, when we learned we were having twins) we could see them move, a few weeks later my wife could start feeling that movement. During their pregnancy I could watch my wife's belly move as they were learning how to use their muscles. Those all strike me as actions of living beings. My twins were born premature (at 34 weeks), my brothers were born at 32 weeks, my neighbors were born severely premature at about 25 weeks. All are fully human, as far as I can tell (at least they look human any time I see them running around, playing soccer or walking through the neighborhood). You may call them cells, I call them humans. Individuals like you like to use terms to obscure the fact that these are humans.
One of my wife's employee's daughters had an unplanned pregnancy. She claimed not to know she was pregnant (which is a lie, or she is just that stupid) until late in the pregnancy (too late to find a place willing to abort the child), so she gave birth and the child was given up for adoption. The child is absolutely fine (in spite of her drug use) and has two adoptive parents who love him.
Great, but that's your personal belief, not the law or scientific fact. I am not over-reacting because the "heart-beat" laws already in place in Texas and other states have already caused one woman to go to jail for a miscarriage, and have greatly restricted women from seeking healthcare assistance in the above scenarios. Also you are not responding to the scenarios of "inviable" fetuses, or pregnancies that are life threatening to the woman which there are thousands of different types, and forcing them to be carried to term and birthed is sick and inhumane just because they have a beating heart. I am happy for you and your family. You're belief does not match with mine and the majority of others' in this country, it is not right for your beliefs to control what happens to the rest of us.
This is what I mean, just blatant lies and fear mongering, hatred for fellow americans, pretending that the total threat to your way of life is people living differently than you, and a desire for punishment. Total blowhards on here, cant wait for all you boomers to f off and die
LOL hilarious how you mention “hatred for fellow Americans” and then within the same comment wish boomers all die, likely without a hint of irony. The left in this country is going completely insane.
fight fire with fire. I hate all of you, but not more than you hate yourselves. For all the posts here about crime in cities (which is at its lowest point basically since recording), the republican states are dying in droves from fentanyl and lack of care. Keep killing yourselves between that and COVID. Cant wait to see it
I’m very pessimistic and don’t see how the desires of the majority of American voters will be realized going forward.
So, it works like this. If the state of Alabama wants to ban abortion, they can do that. If the state of California wants to allow abortion as long as the baby's big toe is still in the womb, they can do that as well.
States don’t represent 100% of the people in their state.
While the majority of Alabama voters may have voted Republican, I don’t think the majority of Alabama citizens want abortions to be banned.
So, it works like this. If the state of Alabama wants to ban abortion, they can do that. If the state of California wants to allow abortion as long as the baby's big toe is still in the womb, they can do that as well.
States don’t represent 100% of the people in their state.
While the majority of Alabama voters may have voted Republican, I don’t think the majority of Alabama citizens want abortions to be banned.
How many posters responding to this thread are women? Are you a woman? It's efffing urgent if your own life is at risk because you are being forced to carry an inviable fetus to term and give birth to it just because it has a heart beat. It's efffing urgent if you might get put into jail for having a miscarriage in some states (already happened in Texas). It's efffing serious if your 11 y/o daughter can get raped and then forced to carry the pregnancy to term. Talk to some women about this issue before rattling off on what you think is "urgent" and what isn't.
A sobbing Kanye West revealed he stopped Kim Kardashian from having an abortion when she was pregnant with their first child, North, in 2013.The 43-year-old ...
They are not children. They do not have developed "brains", and are not viable for life. Heart muscles can beat on their own in a petri-dish, is that "alive"? What about ectopic pregnancies? Ever hear about "ancephaly"? There are fetuses that develop a heart beat but never have their neural tubes close. You'd force a woman to bring that thing to term, risking her own life and going through the pains of labor for it? There a many many conditions that produce inviable fetuses, or medical conditions that put a woman's life at risk if they continue pregnancy. Some rare ones are not found until the later stages of pregnancy. Are we going to start prosecuting women for miscarriages (has already happened in Texas)? It's no one's goddam business, and if you don't have a medical degree, you should not be telling women what they should or should not do with their pregnancy. It's a health decision. You want the government to start poking their noses into these private discussions between a woman and her Doctor? You would force an 11 year old child to give birth? Are we going to start prosecuting people who use heroine and meth during pregnancy and force them to carry babies to term that they don't want? News flash, they won't stop using drugs when they are pregnant. Banning abortion doesn't save "babies", it kills women. Are we going to start to be able to sign our fetuses up for life-insurance (since they are people now)? Can we give fetuses social security cards? Can we claim them as dependents on our taxes? Do we celebrate conception days like birthdays? If a woman punches her own stomach, or smokes a cigarrete, or eats raw fish when she is pegnant, or has a miscarriage for any reason, can she be prosecuted for "child abuse"? The answer is no because the law does not recognize them as being "alive". If it's in your religious belief that life begins at conception, great for you, I will protect your right to have religious freedom and believe what you want to believe. You cannot force others to share that belief in this country and our government must be separate from those religious beliefs, that is one of our inaliable rights/freedoms. Some people claim this is a "christian" nation, no it is a nation of religious freedom which includes freedom from religion I.E. I have the right to live my life without following someone else's religious doctrine or rules. If we do not as a nation recognize the fetus as being "alive", then it is the woman's choice to end the pregnancy without Government interference and with private conversations with her Doctor, no one else gets to be involved, period.
At this point, this is likely a huge over reaction. The truth is nobody knows the full context of any decision and how it will impact abortions in the US, so everything you have written is essentially fake news and may not even be pertinent to the issue in question. The left will use this leak as justification for court packing / expansion of the court and feel a real sense of urgency right now because they know that they are going to get slaughtered in the midterm elections [actually this deliberate leak seems like a desperate attempt by the left to try to energize their voting base and ignore the current state of this country (rampant inflation, a proxy war with Russia, skyrocketing crime, a complete failure of immigration policy, a crumbling stock market, etc.) and sway voters to ignore far more pertinent issues].
But I will bite. My kids looked pretty human in all of their ultrasound pictures. At their first ultrasound (at about 9 weeks, when we learned we were having twins) we could see them move, a few weeks later my wife could start feeling that movement. During their pregnancy I could watch my wife's belly move as they were learning how to use their muscles. Those all strike me as actions of living beings. My twins were born premature (at 34 weeks), my brothers were born at 32 weeks, my neighbors were born severely premature at about 25 weeks. All are fully human, as far as I can tell (at least they look human any time I see them running around, playing soccer or walking through the neighborhood). You may call them cells, I call them humans. Individuals like you like to use terms to obscure the fact that these are humans.
One of my wife's employee's daughters had an unplanned pregnancy. She claimed not to know she was pregnant (which is a lie, or she is just that stupid) until late in the pregnancy (too late to find a place willing to abort the child), so she gave birth and the child was given up for adoption. The child is absolutely fine (in spite of her drug use) and has two adoptive parents who love him.
And how is the mother in the latter case? I see you don't consider her worthy of mention except as a vessel for carrying a baby.
Did she suffer injuries during the birth? Does she still suffer from them? Were her education and career affected? What about her mental health? Her body will have undoubtedly been changed, whether or not she suffered any third or fourth degree tears. The woman quite likely didn't want a child so much that she didn't think about the possibility of being pregnant.
I don't think you're quite the nice guy towards women you're trying to pretend to be.
The relationship between the state and the local governments is not a federal system. It's a unitary system, and the state government has the final authority in everything.
Where is this in the constitution? No where. Under your "ruling" states could pass laws to ignore every Federal Law.
The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of t...
To combat the Roe v. Wade decision, democrats in CA have introduced SB 1142 which would invite women across the country to come to CA for an abortion, paid for by CA.
The problem with hypocrites like Alito is that they are correct every now and then (kind of a stopped-clock-twice-a-day thing), and this is one of them. Roe v. Wade was wrong and the reasoning was terrible - total judicial activism. Alito - a bitter judge and judicial activist himself - had no problem knocking down Roe.
You’ll find left wingers and libertarians line up on most social issues.
You have to be a pretty extreme libertarian to think that killing a human being that is dependent on you for sustenance is simply exercising some kind of bodily autonomy. Libertarianism usually seems to be a sort of 'do what you want as long as it doesn't harm others'. Liberalism, as it is currently construed seems to be a 'do what you want even if it harms others, and do it more if it if it helps large corporations and the ultra-wealthy'.
That’s what it is though. You believe that bodily autonomy is sacrificed due to pregnancy. I don’t believe that bodily autonomy should ever be sacrificed and everyone has the right to choose what to do with their bodies. I think it’s a massive infringement on personal freedom to lose the right to control your own body.
Is it time for all people who have uteruses (who are safely able to) to go on a sex strike? Why have sex if the potential consequence could be "forced birth" or "death"?
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