Is multiculturalism essentially a failure?

So what you're trying to tell us is that blacks are at fault for 90% of the US crime? That's rayciss

Alabang wrote:

Legal and illegal immigrants were less likely to be incarcerated than native‐​born Americans in 2017, just as they were in 2014 and 2016.

Democrats are hesitant to catch and hold illegal immigrants, so the crime figures are underreported.

The CATO study is flawed because they only use official numbers instead of doing an on-the-ground investigation.

"A recent survey of 715 advocates and attorneys from 46 states and the District of Columbia indicated that 78 percent of sexual and domestic violence survivors who are immigrants expressed concerns about contacting the police. Nearly half of all these advocates reported that they worked with immigrants who dropped their civil and criminal cases because they were fearful of going forward."

It makes sense that illegal immigrants would be scared of even reporting a crime because of a fear of deportation.

facts and reason wrote:

Democrats are hesitant to catch and hold illegal immigrants, so the crime figures are underreported.

The CATO study is flawed because they only use official numbers instead of doing an on-the-ground investigation.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2017/09/22/undocumented-immigrants-report-crimes-debra-j-robbin

"A recent survey of 715 advocates and attorneys from 46 states and the District of Columbia indicated that 78 percent of sexual and domestic violence survivors who are immigrants expressed concerns about contacting the police. Nearly half of all these advocates reported that they worked with immigrants who dropped their civil and criminal cases because they were fearful of going forward."

It makes sense that illegal immigrants would be scared of even reporting a crime because of a fear of deportation.

Don't most sexual and domestic violence survivors have concerns about reporting the crimes? What is the percent from legal immigrants or natives? But yes I agree they these types of crimes are likely very unreported among illegal immigrants.

My main point was about the contributions of legal immigrants. And because many legal immigrants have higher levels of education and income it makes sense that they are less likely to commit crimes. No?

Sadly, he seems to have no interested in discussing the actual issue. I'm gonna declare this one a troll.

No, it's not a failure.

Okay, what's next?

fahrenheit452 wrote:

No, it's not a failure.

Okay, what's next?

You see... a non-white person committed a crime once... so it's a failure.

See: thread.

Chappy wrote:

Weird lefty extremist with usual brain blockage. Taking my "close to homogeneous" statement and turning into exactly " homogeneous". As repeated many times over, these cultures and peoples are not exact but very close. Unlike from outside of Europe. Also, again, these Germans, English, Irish, Scandanavians, Polish, Italians, etc that came from Europe is what made America. Due to the unsavory immigration, America has been in a downward spiral for many years.

Apparently when you cross the Bosporus suddenly the culture is no longer homogeneous. Nothing to do with color of skin, we promise!

Besides, people said the same thing you are about Irish and Italian immigrants to the USA a century ago.

It's always "these immigrants are different and BAD."

They said the same about the Chinese.

You're just the next in a long line of ethnocentrics and pessimists blind to the reason America is so great. By all means, move to Hungary, we'd all be better for it here.

catching and holding criminals is the responsibility of the police, who are overwhelmingly republican.

2600 bro wrote:

Sadly, he seems to have no interested in discussing the actual issue.

You never answered my question. Are you an Independent or a Libertarian?

Alabang wrote:

Don't most sexual and domestic violence survivors have concerns about reporting the crimes? What is the percent from legal immigrants or natives? But yes I agree they these types of crimes are likely very unreported among illegal immigrants.

That's a good point. Thank you, Alabang, for actually having a debate with me. You're much better than 2600 bro.

"In 2019, only 40.9% of violent crimes and 32.5% of household property crimes were reported to authorities.".

This would mean about 59.1% of crimes go unreported among the general population.

This is lower than the 78% figure for illegal immigrants.

We have 2 schools of thought.

(A): Open the borders freely to everyone from everywhere without doing any COVID checks, background checks, or income checks.

(B): Do a selection process where only the brightest and best get accepted. Universities have a selection process and don't let all applicants in.

Which one do you prefer?

facts and reason wrote:

We have 2 schools of thought.

(A): Open the borders freely to everyone from everywhere without doing any COVID checks, background checks, or income checks.

(B): Do a selection process where only the brightest and best get accepted. Universities have a selection process and don't let all applicants in.

Which one do you prefer?

3) Greatly expand immigration while maintaining reasonable checks for security and public health. Make fun of people who draw false dichotomies.

Also, let's not forget that illegal immigrants have been shown to commit less crimes than citizens in multiple studies:

Wait for our buddy facts and reason to post "illegal immigrants get arrested for immigration crimes more than citizens!!! They're dangerous criminals!

facts and reason wrote:

We have 2 schools of thought.

(A): Open the borders freely to everyone from everywhere without doing any COVID checks, background checks, or income checks.

(B): Do a selection process where only the brightest and best get accepted. Universities have a selection process and don't let all applicants in.

Which one do you prefer?

Everything is a dichotomy to a simpleton.

facts and reason wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Sadly, he seems to have no interested in discussing the actual issue.

You never answered my question. Are you an Independent or a Libertarian?

Why does political affiliation matter? Shouldn't we discuss ideas, models, and data, not just assort into camps and yell at each other :)

breit leit wrote:

Everything is a dichotomy to a simpleton.

Show me your 3rd option.

2600 bro wrote:

Why does political affiliation matter?

Why are you scared to tell us who you voted for?

You said you only voted Democrat once, and you are obviously not a Republican.

Are you Independent, Libertarian, Green, non-voter, or anarchist?

facts and reason wrote:

breit leit wrote:

Everything is a dichotomy to a simpleton.

Show me your 3rd option.

The enlightened genius:

The only options are wide open borders with no restrictions, or high-skill-only tightly limited immigration!

The brain-dead leftist:

There is room between those two.

facts and reason wrote:

breit leit wrote:

Everything is a dichotomy to a simpleton.

Show me your 3rd option.

Put every country's immigration policy into one of the "only" two simplistic descriptions that you think exist.

facts and reason wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Why does political affiliation matter?

Why are you scared to tell us who you voted for?

You said you only voted Democrat once, and you are obviously not a Republican.

Are you Independent, Libertarian, Green, non-voter, or anarchist?

Why not? Reagan was very pro immigration!

Seems like a republican stance to me!

I don’t fit with any of your extremist molds or whatever.

My guess is you want to place me in a camp you can summarily dismiss with boring political talking points rather than responding to what I say...