George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

The prosecution will be arguing that Chauvin's actions (and the complicity of his colleagues) caused Floyd's death, and that it was a death that cannot be legally justified.

The defence will argue that Chauvin did not intend to harm Floyd, let alone kill him, but also that there is doubt that his actions predominantly caused Floyd's death, because of his underlying conditions. They may also argue that Chauvin's actions were justifiable in the circumstances, as part of law enforcement procedure, and that Floyd's death was an unintended and not inevitable consequence of applying that procedure.

The problem they have is of 8 minutes footage of a man begging for his life till he expires and bystanders pleading for the police to get off him. Therein lies the ingredients of a homicide.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You wouldn't know this, having never set foot in the US, but in the US, conclusions as to guilt are NOT based on charges brought by the state.

You wouldn't know this but criminal charges are brought by the state - not the state geographically but the constitutional authority entailed with applying and enforcing the law. It is not a private prosecution, brought by individuals against another. And, you also wouldn't know that I have set foot in the US. Add it to the growing list of what you dont know.[/quote]

what a moronic post. How can a geographical entity apply charges? do not project your insanity on other people.

also, i was quoting someone else, so you should have addressed your comments to them.

This particular topic revolves around your apparent belief that pressing charges proves guilt. That belief proves you are not a lawyer.

I, too, am sure you said you were black several months ago, but i am not going through all your posts to find it.

pupil3142 wrote:

Armstronglivs quoted:

You wouldn't know this, having never set foot in the US, but in the US, conclusions as to guilt are NOT based on charges brought by the state.

armstronglivs wrote;

You wouldn't know this but criminal charges are brought by the state - not the state geographically but the constitutional authority entailed with applying and enforcing the law. It is not a private prosecution, brought by individuals against another. And, you also wouldn't know that I have set foot in the US. Add it to the growing list of what you dont know.

pupil wrote;

what a moronic post. How can a geographical entity apply charges? do not project your insanity on other people.

also, i was quoting someone else, so you should have addressed your comments to them.

This particular topic revolves around your apparent belief that pressing charges proves guilt. That belief proves you are not a lawyer.

I, too, am sure you said you were black several months ago, but i am not going through all your posts to find it.

end quoting and trying to realign the post above.

aargh. quotes are screwed up.

armstronglivs quoted the first para (not wrote), but he did write the second para (ending /quote) which i meant to quote.

I've tried to redo it above, but it isnt working like normal.

apologies.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not in my hood wrote:

Could you at least answer the question?

It would take an all white jury to acquit Chauvin.

Your unwillingness to answer a simple questions is very telling!

baa baa wool wrote:

Not in my hood wrote:

Please name ONE other person that has died/been killed as a result of the knee to the neck technique. As brutal as police are, especially to black people, I'm sure you can rattle of a dozen or so, but I just need the information on one other person.

Please point out what I said that was incorrect.

You make it sound like what happened to GF is a common occurrence...Cops killing people for trivial offenses by kneeling on them until they die. Which is why I would like the name of ONE other person that has died while the police applied this technique.

pupil3142 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You wouldn't know this, having never set foot in the US, but in the US, conclusions as to guilt are NOT based on charges brought by the state.

You wouldn't know this but criminal charges are brought by the state - not the state geographically but the constitutional authority entailed with applying and enforcing the law. It is not a private prosecution, brought by individuals against another. And, you also wouldn't know that I have set foot in the US. Add it to the growing list of what you dont know.

what a moronic post. How can a geographical entity apply charges? do not project your insanity on other people.

also, i was quoting someone else, so you should have addressed your comments to them.

This particular topic revolves around your apparent belief that pressing charges proves guilt. That belief proves you are not a lawyer.

I, too, am sure you said you were black several months ago, but i am not going through all your posts to find it.[/quote]

Your last comment shows firstly you are wrong again and secondly how careless you are with the facts. I have never claimed to be black.

Further, I was not saying that a geographical entity can press charges, but was distinguishing how the term "state" can be used to mean different things, because it was suggested I had used the term incorrectly. I hadn't. You aren't smart enough to understand that distinction in the use of the term.

You have no idea what a lawyer knows, since you aren't one, and are in no position to offer an informed view on that. (Or anything it appears.) A prosecution does not establish guilt but that there is sufficient evidence for a prima facie case to be made for the defense to answer. It is my own opinion that Chauvin is guilty of homicide on the facts that we have. I would expect the court to come to that view on the evidence so far. You are out of your depth.

Not in my hood wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

Please point out what I said that was incorrect.

You make it sound like what happened to GF is a common occurrence..until they die.

Nope. I’m describing what happened in this instance to show Muldoon’s picture of how the justice system in America works in America to be more of an ideal than something that always happens in practice.

Not in my hood wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It would take an all white jury to acquit Chauvin.

Your unwillingness to answer a simple questions is very telling!

It tells you nothing because you understand nothing. What is "telling" is the evidence against Chauvin, not my opinion or the mere flatulence that is yours.

Let it go on the record that Armstronglivs is once again unwilling to answer a simple question.

Amazing that he/she can't admit that maybe, just maybe he/she doesn't know every details about this case.

Apparently, George Floyd's life was defined by "systemic racism." Systemic racism was not responsible for his LENGTHY arrest record, including pointing a gun at a pregnant woman during a robbery, or for the fact that he was loaded with fentanyl at the time of his death.

Also, George floyd died of an overdose, not asphyxiation. Chauvin deserved to be fired for his actions, but he didn't kill Floyd.

"Floyd had moved to Minneapolis after being released from Texas prison for aggravated robbery. He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest. He went to jail for atleast 5 times and a look at George Floyd’s profile as per court documents reads like a career criminal involved in drug abuse, theft, criminal trespassing, aggravated robbery as well as entering a woman’s home and pointing a gun at her stomach while looking for drugs and money."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html

Chauvin, a punk cop with a history of picking fights with people for no reason, continues to kneel on Floyd for 2 minutes after he was unresponsive. Murder. Plain and simple.

https://abc11.com/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officer/6219077/

Okay, if GF doesn't die does DC get fired?

849 wrote:

Chauvin, a punk cop with a history of picking fights with people for no reason, continues to kneel on Floyd for 2 minutes after he was unresponsive. Murder. Plain and simple.

https://abc11.com/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officer/6219077/

What evidence do you have to justify that statement?

He screamed “ow” like he was in pain when they were barely touching him.

A lot of this is probably because he was high on three different drugs. But the point is that cops hear this crap from suspects all day every day. This can make it harder to tell when they’re being serious.

Saying i only thought something shows how careful i am with facts.

Only an idiot has to explain double meaning of words every time they use them.

I have some idea what lawyers know and do since i work in legal compliance and with lawyers regularly. I also have some idea what a doctor know, a rocket scientist etc. It is nonsesne to say you must be these people to have an idea what they know.

The two above examples of outstanding arrogance are the first evidence that you may be a lwayer, lol.

A prosecution does not establish guilt but that there is sufficient evidence for a prima facie case to be made for the defense to answer. i can agree that in many systems there is a requirement in the prosecurial system to establish a prima facie case, however you appear to equate this with guilt and the necessity to prove innocense. Are you french?

I can furthe agree that 'death in custody' can be a mjor part of the prima facie evidence.

On the next two points, you are welcome to your opinion. On the final point, i may or may not be, but at least i am honest about it. without all the facts we are all out of our depth to some extent or other.

searching for 'armstronglivs' and 'black' was as much of a hilarious wasted two minutes as you can imagine!!! But i am sure someone who is more tinternet savvy has a better way.

George Floyd forced his way into a woman's home and pointed a gun at her stomach. Jacob Blake was wanted for domestic abuse and was terrorizing a woman when the cops were called.

In the Me Too era it's odd how the Left is making martyrs out of violent men who prey on women.

Pretty sure the cops are the ones making them martyrs.

Why do African Americans defend and protect the criminals in their midst?

These criminals prey primarily on other blacks.

It's so self destructive.

Not in my hood wrote:

849 wrote:

Chauvin, a punk cop with a history of picking fights with people for no reason, continues to kneel on Floyd for 2 minutes after he was unresponsive. Murder. Plain and simple.

https://abc11.com/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officer/6219077/

What evidence do you have to justify that statement?