I guess natural immunity is now a conspiracy theory.
This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Couple hundred dying daily from Covid.
Couple thousand dying daily from heart disease.
Couple thousand dying daily from smoking-related diseases.
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tarckstar wrote:
Couple hundred dying daily from Covid.
Couple thousand dying daily from heart disease.
Couple thousand dying daily from smoking-related diseases.
I highly doubt that omicron is killing any healthy people
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Harambe wrote:
Heartless wrote:
Projecting exactly what you’ve done onto me, you POS! Typical.
Statement 1 was said by Fauxci and Biden at the top, and many, many others down the chain. “You get the vaccine, you won’t get / spread the virus… ok, we’ll you won’t be hospitalized… ok, you won’t die.” FALSE.
Statement two hasn’t been true for a very, very long time, and in many places it was never true. Omicron seems to have finally saved us from this BS.
Wow you really are such a simpleton that you think that “the vaccines aren’t 100% effective” is an impressive argument. I am impressed. You actually got me to engage with your arguments when it really was just the most moronic thesis all along. Serious props.
Once again, douche, you’re making up your own argument. Stop.
YOU said it was never said. It was.
But that was NEVER my point.
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Harambe wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Can you show me data on the average age of polio death? Transmissibility? Long term effect rate?
COVID has killed an order of magnitude more people in 2 years than polio did in centuries and you still claim they are “completely incomparable” I think you might be right. COVID is a much worse public health risk!
Also the first polio vaccines got a bunch of kids sick couple dozen paralyzed and 5 died. I’d rather not go back to “conventional vaccines” if that’s the risk.
Furthermore the 2 dose polio vax is 90% effective. The 3 and 4 dose are 95-99% effective. Sounds a lot like COVID.
This is a great point.
70+% of polio cases are asymptomatic.
less than 1% result in severe disease (paralysis) and a fraction of those are deadly.The first polio vaccines were quite dangerous and vaccinated against a disease that was mostly asymptomatic. There was standard antivaxx furor (the Big Max people in this thread are nothing new) but everyone agrees now that it was WELL worth it to mass vaccinate.
The polio vaccine does NOT prevent fecal-oral transmission (the dominant route in low sanitation areas). Viral loads in stools are the same for vaxxed and seronegatives.
So the polio vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission and isn’t 100% effective — and early versions were VERY dangerous — yet the antivaxxers here take no issue with them. Consistency is optional when you’re mad!
“Free thinkers” repeating grifter anti-vax BS from the 50s and 60s spun as COVID propaganda.
it really makes me laugh.
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Heartless wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Wow you really are such a simpleton that you think that “the vaccines aren’t 100% effective” is an impressive argument. I am impressed. You actually got me to engage with your arguments when it really was just the most moronic thesis all along. Serious props.
Once again, douche, you’re making up your own argument. Stop.
YOU said it was never said. It was.
But that was NEVER my point.
Your argument is “these people said this thing that wasn’t 100% right” therefore all COVID info is a sham - look at these raw data - no I don’t care about accurate analysis - I have degrees.
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I have immense respect for the morons that show up to get owned over and over with high school statistics. It shows a lack of shame that I wish I had.
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carmine9 wrote:
I guess natural immunity is now a conspiracy theory.
Remember when the lunatics said you should get the vaccine even if you just got over Covid?
Maybe natural immunity only works on non-lab viruses?
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2600 bro wrote:
Heartless wrote:
Once again, douche, you’re making up your own argument. Stop.
YOU said it was never said. It was.
But that was NEVER my point.
Your argument is “these people said this thing that wasn’t 100% right” therefore all COVID info is a sham - look at these raw data - no I don’t care about accurate analysis - I have degrees.
Uhhhh ok bro.
That’s NEVER been my argument. But you keep repeating it, it just may become the truth.
You guys however, did claim that none of those things were ever said. Which of course was a blatant lie.
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Heartless wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Your argument is “these people said this thing that wasn’t 100% right” therefore all COVID info is a sham - look at these raw data - no I don’t care about accurate analysis - I have degrees.
Uhhhh ok bro.
That’s NEVER been my argument. But you keep repeating it, it just may become the truth.
You guys however, did claim that none of those things were ever said. Which of course was a blatant lie.
In March 2021 data showed that exposers vaccinated people had no infection or extremely low viral load. It wasn’t until the delta wave that that idea changed.
Being upset that people couldn’t see the future is not a super great take either.Let’s get this sorted, do you agree with the statement:
”The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective”
If you do not, please point to good data otherwise (ideally an RCT, but I will accept properly controlled observational data).
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the vaccine is so effective that you basically have to take it for life. But you can still get covid, be sick from covid, and land in the hospital from covid. also, the vaccine itself can give you covid, just look at Pfizer's own documents that they tried to hide for 75 years...
why are you geniuses fighting on the side of the pharmaceutical companies that see you as no more than useful idiots for profit? Why? There can't be any rational reason other than the fact that you're trying to protect something intrinsic to you.
Hey, look, I'm no authoritarian. Unlike alotta lefties I know, I won't tell you what to do, or mandate something that violates your bodily autonomy. But that doesn't mean I don't think your choices and opinions are f*cking retarded.
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2600 bro wrote:
I have immense respect for the morons that show up to get owned over and over with high school statistics. It shows a lack of shame that I wish I had.
I'm impressed too, but also by the conviction and confidence.
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tarckstar wrote:
Couple hundred dying daily from Covid.
Couple thousand dying daily from heart disease.
Couple thousand dying daily from smoking-related diseases.
Falling for the propoganda is for the dumb people. Or perhaps they're just passive and like being told what to do. Or they're benefitting in some capacity from covid hysteria.
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uhhhh.. wrote:
the vaccine is so effective that you basically have to take it for life. But you can still get covid, be sick from covid, and land in the hospital from covid. also, the vaccine itself can give you covid, just look at Pfizer's own documents that they tried to hide for 75 years...
why are you geniuses fighting on the side of the pharmaceutical companies that see you as no more than useful idiots for profit? Why? There can't be any rational reason other than the fact that you're trying to protect something intrinsic to you.
Hey, look, I'm no authoritarian. Unlike alotta lefties I know, I won't tell you what to do, or mandate something that violates your bodily autonomy. But that doesn't mean I don't think your choices and opinions are f*cking retarded.
What's scary is that you let freedumb get in the way of some easy reading and logic. Here you are drawing your conclusions about the effectiveness of a vaccine and if it's worth getting it based on whether an organization is for profit. My advice is for you to stay away from anything sold by any vendor, as they are all for profit and can't be trusted. Genius!
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Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
tarckstar wrote:
Couple hundred dying daily from Covid.
Couple thousand dying daily from heart disease.
Couple thousand dying daily from smoking-related diseases.
Falling for the propoganda is for the dumb people. Or perhaps they're just passive and like being told what to do. Or they're benefitting in some capacity from covid hysteria.
I am pretty sure if you were told in the beginning that only registered Democrats could be vaccinated you would have a very different reaction. Can't help stupid.
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Trollminator wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
I have immense respect for the morons that show up to get owned over and over with high school statistics. It shows a lack of shame that I wish I had.
I'm impressed too, but also by the conviction and confidence.
Typically those afflicted by DK syndrome exhibit this kind of arrogance. In the case of antivaxxers, they’re stupid to realize their arrogance and “hot takes” are completely delusional; in the case of right wingers, they have so little respect for life and such an overwhelming need to own the libs, no level of self humiliation is too great
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Anti-vax: Read it and weep
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DanM wrote:
Thanks, Fauci
Caught with false information again.
It looks like it has been caused by adenovirus,and shock horror but none of the children in the UK had been vaccinated.
Nothing to do with lockdown or vaccine.
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spry senior wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/unvaccinated-sergeant-nearly-died-covid-180320786.html
Anti-vax: Read it and weep
"Worked out regularly", "had participated". The propagandists are at rock bottom if this character is their latest poster child for mRNA goop.
"Before getting sick, Talarico said he worked out regularly, and for three years had participated in the Police Unity Tour, a three-day bicycle ride to Washington held each May to honor fallen officers as their names are added to a memorial in the capital."
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Nice photo of the guy. Bet he played football in high school, too.
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