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Lpk wrote:
Thought you'd like this
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While Russia was busy invading Russia, RussoNazis scumbags were getting driven out of Rivnopil. Many thankful Russian woman as their RussoNazi husbands were turned into meat puddles.
Thanks to ADoltInTheRoom for paying oodles in taxes to support Ukraines decimation of RussoNazi invaders.
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agip wrote:
Very good piece from UkR and RU expert Tim Snyder.
Some of his views:
NATO is not the reason Putin invaded UKR. Putin invaded in order to get richer by stealing stuff. That's how RU works so that's all he knows. No one but a few on this board and other extrme right and left wing haters of the West think otherwise. The Wagner guy agrees and has said so.
By virtually every definition RU is fascist.
the mutiny happened because putin was going to eliminate wagner as an independent force.
That putin could not or did not fight wagner and had to buy him off...is an incredibly weakening aspect. That's the big takeaway.
the war will end if RU has more than one day of internal crisis like this.
Snyder:
I'm not sure enough attention has been paid to what Prigozhin said about Putin's motives for war: that it had nothing to do with NATO enlargement or Ukrainian aggression, and was simply a matter of wishing to dominate Ukraine, replace its regime with a Moscow-friendly politician (Viktor Medvedchuk), and then seize its resources and to satisfy the Russian elite. Given the way the Russian political system actually works, that has the ring of plausibility. Putin's various rationales are dramatically inconsistent with the way the Russian political system actually works.
Putin was concerned that Ukraine might serve as a model. Unlike Russians, Ukrainians could vote and enjoyed freedom of speech and association. That was no threat to Russia, but it was to Putin's own power.
Far too many people still think the US or NATO had something to do with Putin's personal decision to invade Ukraine, when in fact the character of the Russian system (and Putin's own words) provide us with more than enough explanation.
Bump.
For anyone with the attention span to spend 15 minutes reading about the dynamics of the Russian regime, the Tim Snyder essay agip links is excellent.
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Just stop with the Nazi hubris. Lets grant that every single post that you make about Ukraine having Nazi symbols s accurate. (It isn't). None of that justifies Russia's actions. None of it. It is garbage. It is nothing. It doesn't work on thinking human beings. If it makes you feel good, that is OK. Keep telling yourself that Russia is exterminating Nazi's around the globe because they are a good people. Knock yourself out. But stop posting that idiocy here. It just takes up space and make you look like a Russian troll bot sitting in an St Petersburg basement. Complete lunacy.
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
agip wrote:
Very good piece from UkR and RU expert Tim Snyder.
Some of his views:
NATO is not the reason Putin invaded UKR. Putin invaded in order to get richer by stealing stuff. That's how RU works so that's all he knows. No one but a few on this board and other extrme right and left wing haters of the West think otherwise. The Wagner guy agrees and has said so.
By virtually every definition RU is fascist.
the mutiny happened because putin was going to eliminate wagner as an independent force.
That putin could not or did not fight wagner and had to buy him off...is an incredibly weakening aspect. That's the big takeaway.
the war will end if RU has more than one day of internal crisis like this.
Snyder:
I'm not sure enough attention has been paid to what Prigozhin said about Putin's motives for war: that it had nothing to do with NATO enlargement or Ukrainian aggression, and was simply a matter of wishing to dominate Ukraine, replace its regime with a Moscow-friendly politician (Viktor Medvedchuk), and then seize its resources and to satisfy the Russian elite. Given the way the Russian political system actually works, that has the ring of plausibility. Putin's various rationales are dramatically inconsistent with the way the Russian political system actually works.
Putin was concerned that Ukraine might serve as a model. Unlike Russians, Ukrainians could vote and enjoyed freedom of speech and association. That was no threat to Russia, but it was to Putin's own power.
Far too many people still think the US or NATO had something to do with Putin's personal decision to invade Ukraine, when in fact the character of the Russian system (and Putin's own words) provide us with more than enough explanation.
Bump.
For anyone with the attention span to spend 15 minutes reading about the dynamics of the Russian regime, the Tim Snyder essay agip links is excellent.
This is what I have been saying since the outset of the war. Leading up to the war, you had popular uprisings in Belarus and Kazakhstan against pro-Putin autocrats. Those uprisings were brutally put down with 3,000 Russian paratroopers landing in Kazakhstan in January of 2022 to save Tokayev from being overthrown. Ukraine was supposed to be Russia's big flex in the region to show all of its client states who is in charge.
In 2022, Ukraine banned several pro-separatist TV stations that belonged to Viktor Medvedchuk (his ownership was indirect due to his involvement in Ukraine's government). Reports claim that this was the last straw for Putin and prompted his decision to invade. There are also multiple reports that Putin planned to install Medvechuk after deposing Zelensky, following the model of Tokayev and Lukashenko being Putin's puppets. Putin saw Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan as a sign that the US had become exhausted with foreign interventions and also believed that Germany's reliance on Russian natural gas would help fracture any NATO backing for Ukraine.
Russians had been subject to nearly a decade of anti-Ukraine propaganda, with endless phony reports of Ukrainian Nazis committing atrocities against children in Donbas. It was like Qanon Comet Ping Pong on steroids. At the outset of the war, Russian soldiers were writing "for the children" on bombs. That is why Russians have been so adamant about de-Nazification as (one of) their casus belli.
NATO encroachment was really a complete after the fact fabrication by Russia. NATO expansion into Ukraine was first put on the table in 2002 after Putin's brutal wars in Chechnya made it clear that Russia was not going to be a peaceful post-cold war ally of the West. In 2005, NATO gave Ukraine an individual membership action plan. In 2008, NATO's secretary general said that membership would be open to Ukraine and Georgia. But Yanukovich's government halted all NATO plans in 2010. After Maidan, Ukraine renewed its efforts to join NATO, but was never given a membership action plan, which is the last step in the process for NATO membership. In 2020, Zelensky appealed directly to Boris Johnson for a membership plan, but got nothing. The same result when Zelensky appealed directly to Jens Stotenberg in 2021 as Russia was beginning its military build up on the border with Ukraine. Still no membership action plan. Putin wanted Ukraine banned from joining NATO, but obviously the response from NATO was "none of your business". Still, by 2022, Ukraine was a few thousand miles away from joining NATO and Putin had to make up a story about NATO building up forces within Ukraine to justify the invasion.
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It's (not) shocking to read about this in Russia also (because Russia is home to more Nazis than every other country combined!). As these articles state, the leadership of Russia is complicit in its Nazification problem. They (Putin) make it worse. Most in Russia are Nazi scumbags and the world will be safer when they're all dead. I know that Russia started this war and will be laughing at the pathetic losers that pretend otherwise. Thank you.
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They're paying you for this regurgitation?
Get some new material!
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Oh, and stop talking to yourself and pretending to be two different people.
Totally Lame
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utrecht nl wrote:
courtesyflush wrote:
Ukraine started the war. Ukraine's land mass shrinking and Russia's growing doesn't even matter.
Lesson learned: Don't let your Nazi problem start the first violence (Nov. 24th 2013) and then have the actual Ukraine government arm those same Nazis to ethnic cleanse civilians in the Donbas (April 2014) before Russia was ever there. Someone might notice and do something about it.
It is shocking to read about this in Europe also. As this article states, the leadership of Ukraine is complicit in its Nazification problem. They make it worse. Most in nl do not support this war or supplying Ukraine. I did not know Ukraine started this war but I will be sharing your information and reading more. Thank you.
I can't imagine people in the Netherlands would be happy about Nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine is the only Nazi government in the world. It's true they started the war but it's also true they are the only Nazi state. In 2018 the US congress said Ukraine's government were Nazis. The New York Times articles just confirms it.
US congress in 2018:
The letter states that “It’s particularly troubling that much of the Nazi glorification in Ukraine is government-supported.” It noted ceremonies, gestures and legislation venerating leaders of the UPA and OUN militias, who fought alongside Nazi Germany during World War II and whose troops participated in atrocities against Jews and other victims.13 -
The evidence is overwhelming. There are no pictures of Russian military or government workers using Nazi flags. Zero. It is only the Ukraine government. Below is Ukraine government workers. They are not civilians or paramilitary. This sets Ukraine apart. If the government of Ukraine condones Nazis, they will be stupid enough to advertise. That's why the New York Times was forced to write about it.
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I can't imagine people in the Netherlands would be happy about Nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine is the only Nazi government in the world. It's true they started the war but it's also true they are the only Nazi state. In 2018 the US congress said Ukraine's government were Nazis. The New York Times articles just confirms it.
US congress in 2018:
The letter states that “It’s particularly troubling that much of the Nazi glorification in Ukraine is government-supported.” It noted ceremonies, gestures and legislation venerating leaders of the UPA and OUN militias, who fought alongside Nazi Germany during World War II and whose troops participated in atrocities against Jews and other victims.
The American government already knows the Ukraine government was supporting Nazis in 2018? It is so very unfortunate. I will share this information.
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I can't imagine people in the Netherlands would be happy about Nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine is the only Nazi government in the world. It's true they started the war but it's also true they are the only Nazi state. In 2018 the US congress said Ukraine's government were Nazis. The New York Times articles just confirms it.
US congress in 2018:
The letter states that “It’s particularly troubling that much of the Nazi glorification in Ukraine is government-supported.” It noted ceremonies, gestures and legislation venerating leaders of the UPA and OUN militias, who fought alongside Nazi Germany during World War II and whose troops participated in atrocities against Jews and other victims.
I can't imagine people in the Netherlands would be happy about Nazis in Russia. Russia is the biggest Nazi-infest sh*thole country in the world. It's true they started the war, but it's also try they are the only Nazi state. In 2022, Israel told Russia to mind it's own business and that Ukrainians celebrating Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera is about independence from Soviet scumbags.
Brodsky [Israeli ambassador to Ukraine] said Israel doesn’t like that the two [
Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera] are role models but conceded that “for most Ukrainians, these are heroes who fought for their independence.”Russia on the other hand is throwing an absolute tantrum about Poland renaming Kaliningrad. Kalinin was a truly disgusting Soviet that ordered the execution of more than 25k innocent Pols. Of course Russia named a city after him. Russia is truly a disgusting Nazi-infested sh*thole.
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Putin is in a tough spot. Completely humiliated in front of the whole world, including all the BRICS countries, by his own Nazi chef. But he can't do anything about it, or the Nazi chef will just re-invade Russia again, this time from Belarus. It's just a frustrating, humiliating time in the Putin compound.
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Not sure how much the US government knowing Ukraine is a Nazi state matters to Russia. Russia already knew. The New York Times has a good piece on Ukraine's Nazis. Have a read. Ukraine told Israel to eff off, so Ukraine could continue supporting its Nazis guilt-free. Ukraine wants to Nazi and will not listen to anyone about it. So, their country is shrinking.
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Ukraine started the war. Ukraine's land mass shrinking and Russia's growing doesn't even matter.
Lesson learned: Don't let your Nazi problem start the first violence (Nov. 24th 2013) and then have the actual Ukraine government arm those same Nazis to ethnic cleanse civilians in the Donbas (April 2014) before Russia was ever there.
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No changes to report this morning. Russia is still in Ukraine and Crimea is still Russia. Will update tmrw. Have a great day everyone.
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Fallout from the Wagner rebellion is getting interesting. Prigozhin is now claiming that sending 5,000 heavily armed soldiers who were downing RU helicopters at will to Moscow was just a "protest" and there was never any intent to start an internal armed conflict. But Prigozhin's whereabouts are unknown. The deal that Lukashenko brokered has not been officially confirmed and Russia is reporting that it is still investigating Prigozhin for treason. Those thinking outside the box are speculating that Lukashenko is going to have Wagner move their forces to Belarus and use them to put down any renewed attempts by the opposition to mount protests against the government. This coincides with a new conspiracy theory from Lukashenko that western backed militants are preparing to invade Belarus and overthrown Lukashenko. And it is also consistent with the growing consensus about the rebellion. All of these actors in Russia are just in it for themselves. Wagner was reportedly facing a July 1 deadline to sign up with MoD and come under unified command. Prigozhin did not like the deal and probably used the "rebellion" to get better terms and to assert his power against Gerasimov and Shoigu. Putin's response to the rebellion was to save his skin and avoid confrontation with Prigozhin. Lukashenko is offering Wagner safe haven in order to put them to use putting down a potential revolution.
This mess is not over. Wagnerites are basically cult members, with sledge hammer execution rituals and a near worship of Prigozhin. They are not going to just go quietly and put on a RU uniform. RU's assassin network is going to go to work on trying to take out Prigozhin. In Russia, assassinations are never carried out by the government. Instead, people with connections to FSB who are looking to leverage favors from the government (government contracts for friends, putting rivals out of business, etc.), will hire assassins to take out people who are on the outs with Russia's government. This creates a layer of plausible deniability. It also creates an environment where Russia has no real control over these assassins. If Prigozhin is assassinated, Wagner's forces will rampage and it will all blow up again.
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