Official Covid Vaccine thread

uhhhh.. wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I've been talking about base rate fallacies on here for over a year because 'highly credentialed' blowhards like yourself cannot seem to wrap their minds around basic division.

The fact that you cannot even adjust your raw numbers for the overall vax rate – the simplest confounder to correct for – in Michigan shows that you either:

1) don't understand the concept of a denominator (~65% chance) or

2) recognize that accounting for confounders would reverse the trend you are trying to hype – so you refuse to do it – (~25% chance) or

3) are so deep down the 'vax bad' hysteria hole that you think 'people who get vaccinated still go to the hospital!!!1' is some kind of meaningful conclusion at this point (~10% chance).

Now, back to your homework. Have you googled 'base rate fallacy' yet? We're going to have to discuss your classroom behavior with your family and the headmaster if you won't do the work.

yikes

if you really wanna go back many many many pages in this thread and see what you actually believed and bloviated about with such pomposity, you're gonna look like a fool. If you really wanna revisit what you asserted about the vaccine as true, compared to what we know now (and what many of us knew then), you're gonna look like a fool.

do you really wanna play this game?

Harambe wrote:

Heartless wrote:

Start a thread in bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy and we’ll all discuss your new obsession there, and only there. I promise I’ll contribute if you stop repeating yourself here for 7 days.

btw- You couldn’t make it more obvious that you have zero educational background or practical work experience in a quantitative field. You’re obsessing over a term you read in an article that supports you view, while displaying no other evidence that your brain operates in a quantitative manner. Your hypothetical question from several pages back “what if 99% of the the area was vaccinated?” was so elementary in nature… so unrealistic… so ignorant… it exposed you as probably an English major trying to read and recite his way to relevance in a quantitative discussion. But you can’t fake being a STEM brain.

BS Engineering / MS Engineering / MBA-Finance / LSSBB / Currently rebuilding the Data Infrastructure at my company.

I've been talking about base rate fallacies on here for over a year because 'highly credentialed' blowhards like yourself cannot seem to wrap their minds around basic division.

The fact that you cannot even adjust your raw numbers for the overall vax rate – the simplest confounder to correct for – in Michigan shows that you either:

1) don't understand the concept of a denominator (~65% chance) or

2) recognize that accounting for confounders would reverse the trend you are trying to hype – so you refuse to do it – (~25% chance) or

3) are so deep down the 'vax bad' hysteria hole that you think 'people who get vaccinated still go to the hospital!!!1' is some kind of meaningful conclusion at this point (~10% chance).

Now, back to your homework. Have you googled 'base rate fallacy' yet? We're going to have to discuss your classroom behavior with your family and the headmaster if you won't do the work.

Heartless wrote:

Oh my god- you just beautifully proved my point. Stop embarrassing yourself, please.

bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy has NOTHING to do with the clear evidence of the much-lower-than-proclaimed effectiveness of the vaccines, or the much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated (especially in the omicron era). How can you even argue these facts?

Fauxci calls them “leaky vaccines” now. Michelle Welensky and epidemiologist extraordinaire William Gates both have said omicron is essentially acting as a vaccine now.

Obviously the mRNA shots have saved lives, especially those older and unhealthy people.

My issue has always been with the strategy of suppressing early, proactive substances to attain emergency approval for the vaccines (and then literally changing the CDC definition of “vaccine”- LOL). That alone has contributed to thousands of lives being lost. “Go home and isolate for 7-10 days” resulted in thousands dying that could’ve been saved with [ivermectin + monoclonal antibodies]. Prominent politicians, their families, celebrities, athletes, and a half dozen people I know (I’ve posted about it here) all had access to the treatment. Unvaxxed or vaxxed didn’t matter. Better in 3 days, max. “It’s very expensive for monoclonal” shouldn’t be an issue in a global emergency, right?

The vaccine was the easiest way for THEM to minimize the damage for what they were funding in Wuhan. We’ve seen the evidence of the money trail and cover-up. It’s all there. And there’s still zero evidence of a natural origin.

Anyone ever going to pay for the crisis the world just went through? Or are we gonna let them slide like the Financial crisis? Maybe we—— ooop- another war just broke out- we’ll have to talk about this later! LOL

Harambe wrote:

Heartless wrote:

Oh my god- you just beautifully proved my point. Stop embarrassing yourself, please.

bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy has NOTHING to do with the clear evidence of the much-lower-than-proclaimed effectiveness of the vaccines, or the much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated (especially in the omicron era). How can you even argue these facts?

Fauxci calls them “leaky vaccines” now. Michelle Welensky and epidemiologist extraordinaire William Gates both have said omicron is essentially acting as a vaccine now.

Obviously the mRNA shots have saved lives, especially those older and unhealthy people.

My issue has always been with the strategy of suppressing early, proactive substances to attain emergency approval for the vaccines (and then literally changing the CDC definition of “vaccine”- LOL). That alone has contributed to thousands of lives being lost. “Go home and isolate for 7-10 days” resulted in thousands dying that could’ve been saved with [ivermectin + monoclonal antibodies]. Prominent politicians, their families, celebrities, athletes, and a half dozen people I know (I’ve posted about it here) all had access to the treatment. Unvaxxed or vaxxed didn’t matter. Better in 3 days, max. “It’s very expensive for monoclonal” shouldn’t be an issue in a global emergency, right?

The vaccine was the easiest way for THEM to minimize the damage for what they were funding in Wuhan. We’ve seen the evidence of the money trail and cover-up. It’s all there. And there’s still zero evidence of a natural origin.

Anyone ever going to pay for the crisis the world just went through? Or are we gonna let them slide like the Financial crisis? Maybe we—— ooop- another war just broke out- we’ll have to talk about this later! LOL

Without a denominator, your raw values mean nothing. I've tried to explain this to you repeatedly but you are proving the correlation between MBA-holders and terminal Dunning–Kruger.

Ivermectin does nothing against COVID. Repeated clinical trials have shown this. There was reason for hope a year ago before the largest trials read out, but we can conclusively say it is not effective against COVID.

This has been show exhaustively shown at this point that anyone who still believes otherwise is either

1) very far behind the current literature – in which case they should shut their mouth and read

2) refuses to acknowledge the current lit because their dogmatically tied to a random drug for no reason – this one is just embarrassing. Go cheer for a sports team or something.

Lastly, just rofl at 'much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated.' Do you consider death to be much milder? Seriously, I respect how furiously you are working to convince yourself that 'vax bad' in the face of all the evidence. Legendary performance.

Heartless wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Without a denominator, your raw values mean nothing. I've tried to explain this to you repeatedly but you are proving the correlation between MBA-holders and terminal Dunning–Kruger.

Ivermectin does nothing against COVID. Repeated clinical trials have shown this. There was reason for hope a year ago before the largest trials read out, but we can conclusively say it is not effective against COVID.

This has been show exhaustively shown at this point that anyone who still believes otherwise is either

1) very far behind the current literature – in which case they should shut their mouth and read

2) refuses to acknowledge the current lit because their dogmatically tied to a random drug for no reason – this one is just embarrassing. Go cheer for a sports team or something.

Lastly, just rofl at 'much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated.' Do you consider death to be much milder? Seriously, I respect how furiously you are working to convince yourself that 'vax bad' in the face of all the evidence. Legendary performance.

Stop embarrassing yourself. You’re an F’n English major!

“Much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated” in omicron vs the prior variants was the meaning of that sentence. Stop your stupid tribal BS. It’s YOU who refuses the acknowledge clear data that the vaccines weren’t all they were promised to be (Fauxci, Welensky and Gates can admit it, but NOT YOU- LOL!) and omicron is effectively “vaccinating everyone.”

Now move on with your pathetic life… of defending elite bureaucrats with the blood of hundreds of thousands of deceased human beings on their hands.

Heartless wrote:

DanM wrote:

4th shot and 8 weeks later all you're left with is...........

a need for a 5th shot.

Are you guys gonna start offering bulk discounts ? A free 10th shot after the first 9 ?

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"Israeli Study Suggests Protection Against COVID-19 Infection from 4th Vaccine Dose Wanes Quickly"

A fourth dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine offers a short-term boost of protection against infection that starts waning after just four weeks, according to new research out of Israel.

The study, which was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday, found that effectiveness against infection in the fourth week after the second booster shot was lower than protection mounted after the third vaccine dose. The protection drastically falls after eight weeks

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-04-06/israeli-study-suggests-protection-against-covid-19-infection-from-2nd-booster-shot-wanes-quickly

I have to assume this Harambe fellow has you blocked, because your posts would appear to make his head explode.

bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy!! LOL

Harambe wrote:

Heartless wrote:

Stop embarrassing yourself. You’re an F’n English major!

“Much milder symptoms for the unvaccinated” in omicron vs the prior variants was the meaning of that sentence. Stop your stupid tribal BS. It’s YOU who refuses the acknowledge clear data that the vaccines weren’t all they were promised to be (Fauxci, Welensky and Gates can admit it, but NOT YOU- LOL!) and omicron is effectively “vaccinating everyone.”

Now move on with your pathetic life… of defending elite bureaucrats with the blood of hundreds of thousands of deceased human beings on their hands.

More rage. Less data. More BS. The standard antivaxxer descent.

At least you dropped the IVM babbling. Good lord that was an embarrassing subject change.

The fact that Omicron causes milder outcomes, even when controlling for prior exposure and vaccines, has no little effect on the benefit of vaccines. Even the 2-3x reduction in severe outcomes for Omicron in a sero-naive person still makes Omicron many fold more dangerous than, for example, a bad strain of the seasonal flu.

You do not have an appropriate grasp of the data. I suggest reading through the "Pandemic of the Unvaccinated: CONFIRMED" thread where I posted weekly updates of the latest relevant literature. For some with so many letters after their name, this should take only a few mins.

-Harambe BS / MD-PhD / Zookeeper certified in Ohio

Heartless wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Google 'base rate fallacy.' This was your homework last week and it's clear you haven't done it. Don't make me call home.

Start a thread in bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy and we’ll all discuss your new obsession there, and only there. I promise I’ll contribute if you stop repeating yourself here for 7 days.

btw- You couldn’t make it more obvious that you have zero educational background or practical work experience in a quantitative field. You’re obsessing over a term you read in an article that supports you view, while displaying no other evidence that your brain operates in a quantitative manner. Your hypothetical question from several pages back “what if 99% of the the area was vaccinated?” was so elementary in nature… so unrealistic… so ignorant… it exposed you as probably an English major trying to read and recite his way to relevance in a quantitative discussion. But you can’t fake being a STEM brain.

BS Engineering / MS Engineering / MBA-Finance / LSSBB / Currently rebuilding the Data Infrastructure at my company.

totorious wrote:

Heartless wrote:

Start a thread in bAsE rAtE FaLLaCy and we’ll all discuss your new obsession there, and only there. I promise I’ll contribute if you stop repeating yourself here for 7 days.

btw- You couldn’t make it more obvious that you have zero educational background or practical work experience in a quantitative field. You’re obsessing over a term you read in an article that supports you view, while displaying no other evidence that your brain operates in a quantitative manner. Your hypothetical question from several pages back “what if 99% of the the area was vaccinated?” was so elementary in nature… so unrealistic… so ignorant… it exposed you as probably an English major trying to read and recite his way to relevance in a quantitative discussion. But you can’t fake being a STEM brain.

BS Engineering / MS Engineering / MBA-Finance / LSSBB / Currently rebuilding the Data Infrastructure at my company.

Not adjusting for the % of people vaccinated/unvaccinated is not indicative of a STEM brain.

Heartless wrote:

There’s plenty of evidence ivermectin provides a positive prophylaxis effect and can reduce hospitalization by 60%+ if taken in the first 24-48 hours, which was ALWAYS the claim (many videos have been posted here proving this out). That’s why it was used in several countries that saw prompt reductions of cases and deaths shortly thereafter. Add monoclonal and the infection is basically eliminated.

As one of the many statements of mine that you refuse to acknowledge, that’s why the “go isolate for 7-10 days” [because we want to get emergency approval for the vaccine] was so inexplicably evil. Thousands of people died because of this “authoritarian” approach. And you support it.

There’s no rage here, DB. My family and I are done taking the shots. One and done for us [adults]. As DanM’s links cite, you on the other hand better get ready for #5, 6, 7, —>n… because the boosters work incredibly well!