"Suck on this...", agip- this is a common ginamator statement. I am not ginamator.
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Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
No. 1: It wasn’t even close to an insurrection. Riot wasn’t really a good description, either. Protest would fit. It was that. Did it get out of hand? Sure, it did. But was it an insurrection? There’s no way.
Merriam-Webster defines insurrection as "a usually violent attempt to take control of a government." While the acts of some on that day could accurately be described as violent, and while the official business of our government was disrupted by the reaction to the events of the day, there was absolutely no attempt at a government takeover.
There was little organization or command structure among these “insurrectionists.” It was certainly not as organized as the media-described “mostly peaceful” protests of 2020 where Portland, Seattle and other cities saw police facilities and other government buildings defaced and set on fire. Portions of some cities were occupied for weeks placing residents and business owners in jeopardy. There was none of that in D.C.The Jan. 6 protesters were actually mostly peaceful. A few, either inspired by malcontents or overwhelmed by their own passion and emotion, decided to breach the Capitol. The actions of government were interrupted; there was disruption, but there was not even an attempt at overthrowing the elected government. It was dissatisfaction out of control.
Protest is legitimate. Disruption, although unseemly, is not insurrection. Commemorating such events is stupid. Politicians have turned the Jan. 6 events into something they were not: noteworthy. The media played along and all day long listeners and viewers were subjected to news that wasn’t news as if a commemoration was warranted.Perspectives on the day are different depending on the observer’s political perspective. But when the vice president of the United States equates Jan. 6, 2021 to Sept, 11, 2001 or Dec. 7, 1941, it amounts to nothing but hyperbole and manipulation for political purposes. The comparisons are woefully inaccurate and equally inappropriate.
On Jan. 6, 2022, we were subjected to a performance, nothing more. It was a stage show, a work of fiction trying to convince us that what we knew was somehow something more.In the videos we see a violent mob (not a few individuals) pushing through, beating up cops, and forcing entry. 1,000,000 peaceful trumpers showing up wouldn't have diminished that in any way. Your version of truth is fiction. Those violent actors even admitted they broke in to disrupt the vote count and take control of the process. You refuse to believe your fellow trumpers.
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agip wrote:
here's something everyone can object to. I mean it's a rorscharch test, but it's offensive to just about everyone at some level.
WSJ:
Jared Kushner’s new private-equity fund plans to invest millions of dollars of Saudi Arabia’s money in Israeli startups, according to people familiar with the investment plan, in a sign of warming ties between two historic rivals.
Affinity Partners, which has raised more than $3 billion, including a $2 billion commitment from the kingdom’s sovereign-wealth fund, has already selected the first two Israeli firms to invest in, these people said.
The decision marks the first known instance that the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s cash will be directed to Israel, a sign of the kingdom’s increasing willingness to do business with the country, even though they have no diplomatic relations. This could help lay the groundwork for a breakthrough normalization pact between the two countries.
Israel is deepening business and security ties with Arab states, including the United Arab Emirates, nearly two years after the U.S. brokered historic normalization deals. Mr. Kushner, former President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a former senior White House adviser, played an instrumental role in the so-called Abraham Accords. He has also established strong ties with Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the kingdom’s de facto ruler. Since leaving the White House, Mr. Kushner has tapped his White House contacts across the Middle East to develop his private-equity firm, a venture likely to earn him lucrative fees regardless of the success or failure of its investments.But Hunter's laptop and art! LOL... Jared and Ivanka WORKED in the WH.
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Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
here's something everyone can object to. I mean it's a rorscharch test, but it's offensive to just about everyone at some level.
WSJ:
Jared Kushner’s new private-equity fund plans to invest millions of dollars of Saudi Arabia’s money in Israeli startups, according to people familiar with the investment plan, in a sign of warming ties between two historic rivals.
Affinity Partners, which has raised more than $3 billion, including a $2 billion commitment from the kingdom’s sovereign-wealth fund, has already selected the first two Israeli firms to invest in, these people said.
The decision marks the first known instance that the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s cash will be directed to Israel, a sign of the kingdom’s increasing willingness to do business with the country, even though they have no diplomatic relations. This could help lay the groundwork for a breakthrough normalization pact between the two countries.
Israel is deepening business and security ties with Arab states, including the United Arab Emirates, nearly two years after the U.S. brokered historic normalization deals. Mr. Kushner, former President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a former senior White House adviser, played an instrumental role in the so-called Abraham Accords. He has also established strong ties with Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the kingdom’s de facto ruler. Since leaving the White House, Mr. Kushner has tapped his White House contacts across the Middle East to develop his private-equity firm, a venture likely to earn him lucrative fees regardless of the success or failure of its investments.But Hunter's laptop and art! LOL... Jared and Ivanka WORKED in the WH.
Its puzzling why pops doesn't want Hunter working in the WH just like Jared and Ivanka did.
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Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
No. 1: It wasn’t even close to an insurrection. Riot wasn’t really a good description, either. Protest would fit. It was that. Did it get out of hand? Sure, it did. But was it an insurrection? There’s no way.
Merriam-Webster defines insurrection as "a usually violent attempt to take control of a government." While the acts of some on that day could accurately be described as violent, and while the official business of our government was disrupted by the reaction to the events of the day, there was absolutely no attempt at a government takeover.
There was little organization or command structure among these “insurrectionists.” It was certainly not as organized as the media-described “mostly peaceful” protests of 2020 where Portland, Seattle and other cities saw police facilities and other government buildings defaced and set on fire. Portions of some cities were occupied for weeks placing residents and business owners in jeopardy. There was none of that in D.C.The Jan. 6 protesters were actually mostly peaceful. A few, either inspired by malcontents or overwhelmed by their own passion and emotion, decided to breach the Capitol. The actions of government were interrupted; there was disruption, but there was not even an attempt at overthrowing the elected government. It was dissatisfaction out of control.
Protest is legitimate. Disruption, although unseemly, is not insurrection. Commemorating such events is stupid. Politicians have turned the Jan. 6 events into something they were not: noteworthy. The media played along and all day long listeners and viewers were subjected to news that wasn’t news as if a commemoration was warranted.Perspectives on the day are different depending on the observer’s political perspective. But when the vice president of the United States equates Jan. 6, 2021 to Sept, 11, 2001 or Dec. 7, 1941, it amounts to nothing but hyperbole and manipulation for political purposes. The comparisons are woefully inaccurate and equally inappropriate.
On Jan. 6, 2022, we were subjected to a performance, nothing more. It was a stage show, a work of fiction trying to convince us that what we knew was somehow something more.In the videos we see a violent mob (not a few individuals) pushing through, beating up cops, and forcing entry. 1,000,000 peaceful trumpers showing up wouldn't have diminished that in any way. Your version of truth is fiction. Those violent actors even admitted they broke in to disrupt the vote count and take control of the process. You refuse to believe your fellow trumpers.
It was a protest and never an insurrection. It's exaggerated by the media. If it was a true insurrection, why 1) haven't the offenders been charged with it and 2) if it was, it would have been carried out by actual ex-military, not a by bunch of yahoos. Jan 6th is a manufactured media narrative because it's all the left can point to for midterms. Our government was never in danger of being toppled over. You need our entire armed forces to go along.
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Glenn Greenwald is a liberal pundit and he also disagrees with the dem insurrection narrative.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
It was a protest and never an insurrection. It's exaggerated by the media. If it was a true insurrection, why 1) haven't the offenders been charged with it and 2) if it was, it would have been carried out by actual ex-military, not a by bunch of yahoos. Jan 6th is a manufactured media narrative because it's all the left can point to for midterms. Our government was never in danger of being toppled over. You need our entire armed forces to go along.
Three members of Oath keeper have already plead guilty to "seditious conspiracy" charges. And more to come.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
It was a protest and never an insurrection. It's exaggerated by the media. If it was a true insurrection, why 1) haven't the offenders been charged with it and 2) if it was, it would have been carried out by actual ex-military, not a by bunch of yahoos. Jan 6th is a manufactured media narrative because it's all the left can point to for midterms. Our government was never in danger of being toppled over. You need our entire armed forces to go along.
Three members of Oath keeper have already plead guilty to "seditious conspiracy" charges. And more to come.
Meh. That just means that they had a-hole personalities. I've got no problem with a-hole personalities.
Now Hunter Biden's laptop - now THAT'S another matter entirely!
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Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
But Hunter's laptop and art! LOL... Jared and Ivanka WORKED in the WH.
Its puzzling why pops doesn't want Hunter working in the WH just like Jared and Ivanka did.
You tzees have a very sick obsession with this irrelevant civilian. But if that's all you got well then...
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
In the videos we see a violent mob (not a few individuals) pushing through, beating up cops, and forcing entry. 1,000,000 peaceful trumpers showing up wouldn't have diminished that in any way. Your version of truth is fiction. Those violent actors even admitted they broke in to disrupt the vote count and take control of the process. You refuse to believe your fellow trumpers.
It was a protest and never an insurrection. It's exaggerated by the media. If it was a true insurrection, why 1) haven't the offenders been charged with it and 2) if it was, it would have been carried out by actual ex-military, not a by bunch of yahoos. Jan 6th is a manufactured media narrative because it's all the left can point to for midterms. Our government was never in danger of being toppled over. You need our entire armed forces to go along.
if militant muslims and BLM protestors had invaded the capitol building, broken windows and beaten down cops and stopped the electoral count in order to prevent Trump from being elected...you'd be calling for lefty heads to roll. You would be saying'socialist' 'leftists' are violent and just out for raw power.
But instead these insurrectionists were right wingers and you agree with their politics so you shrug and don't care very much.
classic 'law and order' 'conservative' behavior. You people used to say rogue southern sheriffs killing black people were defending America from Socialism. Your kind always looks the other way when it is 'conservatives' breaking laws and norms.
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agip wrote:
Sally and oh should watch this. A sitting gop member of Congress explaining how close we were to a coup.
Thanks for posting. Since the Trumpers here won't dare watch his speech. I'll hit the highlights from this sitting GOP congressman:
"I was there on January 6th"
"I saw the bomb squads defusing bombs"
"I passed the capitol police officers who were beaten and broken"
"If they had gotten a hold of Mike Pence, we could have lost our democracy that day"
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carmine9 wrote:
agip wrote:
Sally and oh should watch this. A sitting gop member of Congress explaining how close we were to a coup.
A corrupt puppet.
Come on.
Where were the guns? The armed militias?
The government in waiting ready to be installed?
All you have to do is look at the court filings to know where the guns were. Many of the insurrectionists carried guns and other weapons to the capitol that day. Others had large caches of guns and explosives stashed nearby.
Court filings show that these were armed militias who planned, organized, and executed the attack on the capitol. They also had what was referred to in court as "quick reaction forces" standing by with more weapons and ammunition.
And in the latest guilty plea from a court case, one of the Oath Keepers said he witnessed their leader talking to someone who could speak directly to Trump that day. He requested to speak to the president directly and to tell Trump to call for a second wave of attacks.
Obviously, your "government in waiting" was the Trump administration. If Pence had left the capitol or been captured or killed, it is very likely that Trump would have declared martial law.
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It is amazing how little the Trumpers know about what happened that day. It's like they haven't heard any news since January 6th.
The convicted insurrectionists have told the story in open court. But you haven't heard what they said until you logged into a running site.
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Fat hurts wrote:
It is amazing how little the Trumpers know about what happened that day. It's like they haven't heard any news since January 6th.
The convicted insurrectionists have told the story in open court. But you haven't heard what they said until you logged into a running site.
You haven't educated anyone about anything on here, unless you're referring to your insistent double standard when talking about the BLM riots vs. Jan 6, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
The only progress anyone has seemed to make was that when discussing whether or not the rioters got into the chambers where the electoral count was happening, where I admitted that I thought that the rioters ONLY got into the chamber that wasn't in use at the time while agip admitted that he initially thought they did get into the chamber that was in use but realized that maybe it wasn't that chamber after all.
I doubt anything else that has come up has been news to anyone, unless the fact that it isn't particularly uncommon that ~10% of people arrested in riots get charged with possessing weapons was new information (if you even bothered to consider it, since you continually just deflected and created a strawman to shift the topic instead of addressing the point). The rest of the discussion hasn't been about factual news that has occurred, but rather what we deem to be the border between what constitutes a riot vs. what constitutes an insurrection.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
In the videos we see a violent mob (not a few individuals) pushing through, beating up cops, and forcing entry. 1,000,000 peaceful trumpers showing up wouldn't have diminished that in any way. Your version of truth is fiction. Those violent actors even admitted they broke in to disrupt the vote count and take control of the process. You refuse to believe your fellow trumpers.
It was a protest and never an insurrection. It's exaggerated by the media. If it was a true insurrection, why 1) haven't the offenders been charged with it and 2) if it was, it would have been carried out by actual ex-military, not a by bunch of yahoos. Jan 6th is a manufactured media narrative because it's all the left can point to for midterms. Our government was never in danger of being toppled over. You need our entire armed forces to go along.
So you're saying to qualify as an insurection they needed the entire armed forces to go along... might wanna check the actual definition of an insurection bud.
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Oh? wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
It is amazing how little the Trumpers know about what happened that day. It's like they haven't heard any news since January 6th.
The convicted insurrectionists have told the story in open court. But you haven't heard what they said until you logged into a running site.
You haven't educated anyone about anything on here, unless you're referring to your insistent double standard when talking about the BLM riots vs. Jan 6, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
The only progress anyone has seemed to make was that when discussing whether or not the rioters got into the chambers where the electoral count was happening, where I admitted that I thought that the rioters ONLY got into the chamber that wasn't in use at the time while agip admitted that he initially thought they did get into the chamber that was in use but realized that maybe it wasn't that chamber after all.
I doubt anything else that has come up has been news to anyone, unless the fact that it isn't particularly uncommon that ~10% of people arrested in riots get charged with possessing weapons was new information (if you even bothered to consider it, since you continually just deflected and created a strawman to shift the topic instead of addressing the point). The rest of the discussion hasn't been about factual news that has occurred, but rather what we deem to be the border between what constitutes a riot vs. what constitutes an insurrection.
There is no double-standard when it comes to BLM. There was not a single BLM demonstration that included a pre-planned, coordinated attack on the government.
That pre-planned, coordinated attack on January 6th is something that Trumpers seem to be completely unaware of.
You seem to be so unaware of the pre-planned coordinated attack that you deny it even happened. But the insurrectionists have admitted to this in court.
Face it. This happened.
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And furthermore, for January 6th, the actual number who carried weapons was obviously much higher than 10%. The 10% was just the ones caught with a weapon on video.
Everyone knows not to bring weapons to a peaceful demonstration. Anyone who does bring a weapon is not peaceful. He is there to make trouble.
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Fat hurts wrote:
It is amazing how little the Trumpers know about what happened that day. It's like they haven't heard any news since January 6th.
The convicted insurrectionists have told the story in open court. But you haven't heard what they said until you logged into a running site.
It was such a widespread plan carried out by the GoP itself that no one on earth knows the details to this day but 4 guys arrested for loitering in the Capitol, leftist conspiracy theorists and Adam Schiff.
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Oh? wrote:
You haven't educated anyone about anything on here, unless you're referring to your insistent double standard when talking about the BLM riots vs. Jan 6, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Bill Barr ordered the DOJ to investigate the possibility of charging BLM and antifa leaders with sedition, and they came up with nothing.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Oh? wrote:
You haven't educated anyone about anything on here, unless you're referring to your insistent double standard when talking about the BLM riots vs. Jan 6, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Bill Barr ordered the DOJ to investigate the possibility of charging BLM and antifa leaders with sedition, and they came up with nothing.
I think you misunderstand the discussion. I never suggested BLM riots should have resulted in anyone getting charged with sedition, I said that both BLM and January 6 started off as peaceful protests that devolved into riots; Fat hurts disagrees, but refuses to acknowledge the double standard in doing so.
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