Nick Willies throws shade at Sifan Hassan on twitter

El Keniano wrote:

If I randomly drop a bomb in any part of the United States and Brazil intending to wipe out football (soccer) players because I find them annoying, where would I be most successful? It's that simple. There are more elite-level distance runners in Kenya and Ethiopia than the rest of the world combined. Similarly, you're more likely to catch a doper there than in New Zealand, which has only three distance runners of note.

No it's not that simple you clown. 3 of the 7 Kenyan finalists from 800 to 5000 men's in London 2017 have failed tests (an one of the others - Rotich- has been involved in a doping scandal AND is the training partner of one of the 3 caught doping). Kenya did not enter more runners in those events than many other countries, and the three who got caught (and any of the other four if they were doping) would likely not even have made the final if they hadn't been doping.

Kenya has abysmal testing standards, even now, so you're not 'more likely to catch a doper there than in New Zealand'.

Nobody disputes what emerged out of the Kiprop bust - that Kenyan testers are corrupt and give advanced warning of tests in return for bribes. Nobody can seriously dispute the documented fact that EPO has been on sale in pharmacies in every high street in places like Iten.

Dirty doping apologist (although Kenyan doping is small scale to some of the other things you apologize for).

El G may be clean or dirty, but why do you suggest EPO or HGH would enable El G able to run 3:26? Which skewed performance data are you referring to, and how big do you suggest this skew is for sub-3:30 runners? Doesn't your question answer itself, when you combine "the PEDs that many many marrocan (sic) athletes have tested positive for in the past 20 years" with the performance observation that the only Moroccans in the last 20 years to run faster than Coe or Cram from the 1980s are not "many many", but just three, by less than 1 second, and +/-3 seconds behind El G: - Ramzi in 2006 (3:29;14) - Laalou in 2010 (3:29:53) - Iguider in 2015 (3:28.79)

Atlas mountaineer wrote:

Renato, do you think EL G was able to run 3.26 without EPO or HGH, the PEDs that many many marrocan athletes have tested positive for in the past 20 years, including his training partner (and world champs silver medalist) Kaouch. If not, you cannot use EL G in your arguments. That is the problem with drawing on past performance data, as it is so skewed by doping athletes who have never been caught. If you think El G was clean, what are your reasons for this view?

She is absolutely glowing, just like Mo

This thread started with "I know absolutely nothing about Sifan ..."

Is there anyone here who knows more than Nick?

For the noobs that may not be familiar with the number of lies from the above poster, I have highlighted them.

Why do you keep on lying about Rotich? Seriously, it makes no sense.

Are you not suspicious that NOP worked out an indirect means to simulate an autologous infusion or the strength gains of testosterone via grey area substances like thyroid meds?

I was well known that North West African run for France (a typical example Mehdi Baala) but now you find some running for Poland like Sofia Ennaoui. A new era.

Remember too Hassiba Boulmerka

First African women to win an Olympic Gold medal in 1500m (1991)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj7qOzcqRhc

This is for for those bashing North West African ... there was a prior history before the Genzebe Dibaba alike runners appeared.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You suggest that he has a bias, but which countries have most of the high-profile dopers in his events come from while he has been competing? It's difficult to be even-handed when the infractions are top-heavy from some countries more than others.

If I randomly drop a bomb in any part of the United States and Brazil intending to wipe out football (soccer) players because I find them annoying, where would I be most successful? It's that simple. There are more elite-level distance runners in Kenya and Ethiopia than the rest of the world combined. Similarly, you're more likely to catch a doper there than in New Zealand, which has only three distance runners of note.

Then you have just refuted your own claim that he is biased, by pointing out correctly that more elite runners come from some countries than others, and that will reflect - in part - their greater number of dopers. You have, however, conveniently left out that some of these countries, like Kenya, have a serious doping problem - acknowledged by WADA - and others, like Ethiopia, have notoriously poor anti-doping. But you would do that. Your own bias.

rekrunner wrote:

This thread started with "I know absolutely nothing about Sifan ..."

Is there anyone here who knows more than Nick?

Your arguments never fail to be selective. You should finish Willis's sentence. He isn't making a protestation of ignorance, by saying that he "knows nothing" about Hassan, but that he doesn't know what her training consists of. If you didn't take his remarks out of context you would also have seen that he questioned the dramatic extent of her improvement while she has been working with a coach who has proven to be a doper, as many have long suspected. A professional athlete of Willis's record and experience knows enough about the sport to have a view about what he is seeing. He isn't just another commenter on Letsrun and he has experience that you would know nothing of from behind your computer screen.

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

This thread started with "I know absolutely nothing about Sifan ..."

Is there anyone here who knows more than Nick?

Your arguments never fail to be selective. You should finish Willis's sentence. He isn't making a protestation of ignorance, by saying that he "knows nothing" about Hassan, but that he doesn't know what her training consists of. If you didn't take his remarks out of context you would also have seen that he questioned the dramatic extent of her improvement while she has been working with a coach who has proven to be a doper, as many have long suspected. A professional athlete of Willis's record and experience knows enough about the sport to have a view about what he is seeing. He isn't just another commenter on Letsrun and he has experience that you would know nothing of from behind your computer screen.

I remember years ago on this site , that "experts" stated Bruce Jenner was the ultimate mans man.

LordEric44 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Your arguments never fail to be selective. You should finish Willis's sentence. He isn't making a protestation of ignorance, by saying that he "knows nothing" about Hassan, but that he doesn't know what her training consists of. If you didn't take his remarks out of context you would also have seen that he questioned the dramatic extent of her improvement while she has been working with a coach who has proven to be a doper, as many have long suspected. A professional athlete of Willis's record and experience knows enough about the sport to have a view about what he is seeing. He isn't just another commenter on Letsrun and he has experience that you would know nothing of from behind your computer screen.

I remember years ago on this site , that "experts" stated Bruce Jenner was the ultimate mans man.

I wouldn't have thought that was a subject requiring "expert" knowledge. But is that supposed to be an argument that an experienced professional athlete, like Willis, doesn't have some expert knowledge about his sport?

Do you understand simple logic? New Zealand has only Willis and the Robertson twins. British true distance elites number in the single digits. Kenya has hundreds (possibly thousands) of runners capable of winning international meets/races someplace. Statistically likely to find a higher number of bad apples in the bigger sample than in a country with just three.

Or look at it another way: the population of New Zealand is less than 5 million. There are more Nazi sympathisers in the U.S. than the entire population of New Zealand. But that doesn't mean the U.S. is more racist than New Zealand.

I also highlighted the lie about Kenya having abysmal testing standards. That's no longer true. There's a reason people like Farah moved to Ethiopia.

Armstronglivs wrote:

LordEric44 wrote:

I remember years ago on this site , that "experts" stated Bruce Jenner was the ultimate mans man.

I wouldn't have thought that was a subject requiring "expert" knowledge. But is that supposed to be an argument that an experienced professional athlete, like Willis, doesn't have some expert knowledge about his sport?

Nick Willis is an expert on what training he needs to be able to race last 500m of a 1500m race in sub-66 seconds. He's an expert knowing that unless the first 1000m is passed in 2:45 or slower, Willis knows he is no longer capable of racing final 500m in sub-66. Willis is not an expert on all other athletes. Willis is not an expert when it comes to the genetic advantages Ethiopians & Kenyans possess due to their resistance to chronic and acute altitude sickness. Willis is not an expert on the female body. Willis is not an expert when comes down to the performance ability &/or limitations of female 1500m athletes. Willis does not possess a PhD in biology. Willis is not a M.D.

Are they objectively "genius", though?

Kenya has a population of a little over 50 million, the U.K. has a population of 66 million, and the US has a population of almost 330 million. Given that you have argued that higher populations lie behind the greater number of doping infringements, perhaps you might explain, from your superior grasp of logic, why Kenya nonetheless is incurring a far greater number of violations than those named countries with bigger populations?

Perhaps, while you are about it, you might tell us what is your measure of racism in a society like NZ that does not have and never has had a Nazi party or neo-Nazi political movement, or a legacy of slavery, as has the US.

Is English your second language or are you striving to be obtuse? "Genuine" is not "genius". You had best look them up.

Armchair experts. More importantly, he's not her coach. And we know what kind of coach Alberto is.