ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

Ridiculous wrote:

Such nonsense. We have East Africans doing EPO with impunity, and he gets rung up for being lawyerlike with the rules and probably crossing a line a bit once or twice.

Yup. No doubt Saladbar is corrupt. But he's merely a "gray area" dopers. The Kenyans, Ethiopians, and Italian handlers are DEEP into the black zone.

The reason Saladbar was a 'gray area" doper was because Nike & Phil Knight provided the resources ($$$$$) for him to be a "gray area" doper. It takes a lot more sophistication and resources ($$$$$$$) to be a "gray area" doper, than a black zone doper.

Nike could have taken the lead in fighting doping & dopers (cancelled contracts, etc) but they never have. To be fair, NFL & MLB have done little about doping in their sports.

If you are going to call Saladbar a sociopath, what do you call Phil Knight?

rojo wrote:

Pursey Lidyard wrote:

Who needs dope when you have cheater shoes... kinda makes the like of “Albuterol” irrelevant.

Yes, I was originallly thinking how big of an asterisk do we put next to Rupp's marathon medal but then realized most of the top atheltes in that race were Nike and presumably wearing the same shoes. I'd like to see a list of 2016 Olympic marathon athletes and how many were in the shoes.

How could a coach be banned for facilitating doping if no athletes are banned as well? If no athletes doped then he didn't facilitate anything, right? But he obviously did which means a lot of athletes should be sanctioned as well. Any news on what's going on with that?

rojo wrote:

reer wrote:

Why are posts disappearing? I didn't see anything inappropriate here.

Nor did we. Weldon was irate they were deleted. He was cussing at m e and trying to figure out who deleted them.

It looks like at least one of your moderators is watching this thread carefully.

Equating mass murder with taking some pills ?

Sure it hurts some clean athletes. But look at it objectively and you’ll realize that - in the vast majority of cases - the same athletes would win regardless.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

wejo wrote:

Bryce Hoppel is up at 5:22 am tweeting at Jon. Jon and I still haven't been to sleep.

Jon and I started wondering if his roommate (Clayton Murphy) knows the news about his coach.

I had this same thought. Like do you think ANY of the NOP runners knew about the USADA findings from 2017 ? Maybe this is a reason a few of them jumped ship? I can't imagine a runner knowing these findings and still sticking with the program, knowing their name would be tarnished by association...then again, I also didn't see this coming at all.

The ban was under appeal for two years. So, the athletes who were there knew and some bailed. But, because NOP and Nike being so secretive it is not clear whether athletes who joined more recently were aware there was an appeal.

All this proves is that justice takes too long to change doping in athletics.

Also the justice system is not trying very hard.

It isn't going to get better.

So - what does this do to...

Salazar's employment with Nike (my understanding isthat his Nike job was always a reward from Phil for all he did in his running days)

NOP - When something like this happened to AW, Nike shut it down

All the other NOP athletes and their contracts. Do they get transferred to Bowerman? Will NOP stay open with other coachs? Dow this give them a possible way out of their contracts to become free agents?

Extra Bonus - Can't wait for a day or two to see how the world's biggest Salazar apologist, Ken Goe, spins this.

tacomafan wrote:

So - what does this do to...

Salazar's employment with Nike (my understanding isthat his Nike job was always a reward from Phil for all he did in his running days)

NOP - When something like this happened to AW, Nike shut it down

All the other NOP athletes and their contracts. Do they get transferred to Bowerman? Will NOP stay open with other coachs? Dow this give them a possible way out of their contracts to become free agents?

Extra Bonus - Can't wait for a day or two to see how the world's biggest Salazar apologist, Ken Goe, spins this.

Goe’s take will be nauseating, for sure. He’s just a PR appendage.

Why is this news dropping during the World Championships? It's like sanctioning the manager of a team that is currently riding in the Tour de France. It really couldn't have been done before the WCs started?

This is pretty shocking to me since I never read any rumors that something like this was about to happen. Usually when an investigation like this drags on for years, it doesn’t end up amounting to anything. And to break the news right in the middle of the World Championships? This has to be a huge distraction for the NOP athletes. But I am glad there is finally some closure.

I see a lot of posts poking fun at Kara Goucher. This has to have been a living nightmare for her. She was once close friends with Salazar and admired him as a mentor. It seems likely that she was a huge part of this investigation. It had to be super difficult for her to come out against him and have it drag on for 4 years like this. It sounds like the whole situation had been making her miserable for a very long time, so hopefully it is finally over for her. That being said, if anyone can weasel their way out of this, it is Salazar.

Good news: It’s finally over and justice appears to be served.

Bad news: This could be a major blow to the US distance running boom that we have been enjoying for over a decade.

Sleazy Al wrote:

Kev2 wrote:

What makes Radcliffe more guilty than the athletes mentioned above? Running great performances does not imply doping.

Running for a sleazy coach does.

And running a marathon time 2 MINUTES+ faster than a plethora of E Africans, some of which has served doping bans doesn't?

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

How could a coach be banned for facilitating doping if no athletes are banned as well? If no athletes doped then he didn't facilitate anything, right? But he obviously did which means a lot of athletes should be sanctioned as well. Any news on what's going on with that?

Remember, Lance never tested positive either....

Salazar and Brown knew exactly how much and of what to give the athletes so they wouldn't test positive...ie it will be out of your system in 3 to 8 hours type stuff. I believe the baseball player Alex Rodriguez (A-Rod) talked about taking a gummy concoction before and after games.

Maybe the NOP runners were being lied to about what they were being given. If this is proven (admitted to by Salazar/Brown) and they haven't tested positive, I would think you still can come down on them . Is it unfair to them? Maybe a little if they really had no clue...but they were still not competing on a level playing field.

Counting6543 wrote:

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Sure it hurts some clean athletes. But look at it objectively and you’ll realize that - in the vast majority of cases - the same athletes would win regardless.

You're arguing that cheating is okay if it doesn't change the results.

This is pretty much the polar opposite of Catholic ethics, in which doing evil is always wrong, and rationalizations are not sufficient to erase the guilt.

Two things:

1) the testo charge is real doping and Salazar deserves the ban if guilty

2) the L-carnitine is the "50 mL limit" thing and makes anti-doping look stupid to even bring it up. They could have used the same amount of the stuff, which doesn't even work, by concentrating it to fit within 50mL.

also I am surprised to find out he's only 61, he has already looked older than that for years.

Integrity at work is integrity at work. A guy like Al Salazar, who lived with his situational ethics, would have committed war crimes. War crimes vary. Stealing and false official statements are also war crimes. Salazar tried to ruin Let'srun posters who correctly referred to him as a drug cheater. Yeah. Salazar, if given authority in a war zone would be a war criminal.

Side splitting laughter wrote:

Of course nearly everyone at the top is doping, that’s what many on here have been saying for years. You don’t hang with or beat Africans who are on full blown (as opposed to microdosing) doping programs if you aren’t doing something yourself! !....... What’s wrong with you people? Wake TF up!

So you are saying that young Jakob is clearly doping? And that other guy beating all the doped up american sprinters in the 400H too??? BAD day for Norway. Their biggest track heroes of all times are frauds, eh? So sad.

(please confirm, in case I misunderstood you!)

Technically, Lance tested positive for cortisone, but he was allowed to get a backdated script so it wouldn't blow up. The UCI didn't want him to go positive anymore than Lance wanted to.

I hear what you're saying, but there must be records of who was given illegal transfusions, steroids, etc.

rojo wrote:

reer wrote:

Why are posts disappearing? I didn't see anything inappropriate here.

Nor did we. Weldon was irate they were deleted. He was cussing at m e and trying to figure out who deleted them.

Get your house in order!

Thinking about it wrote:

Serious question: who is going to coach Rupp for Tokyo?

Is Rupp just going to shake this one off like “we’re focused on working hard every day. People say lots of things but that doesn’t affect me...” as he’s done in the past when doping allegations have come up?

I mean his lifetime coach literally just got banned for doping infractions.

Does NOP just disband?

I would love to be a fly on the wall at Nike HQ right now. How can they possibly spin this one?

He must be churning Prozac right now. Wanna bet he won't run Chicago?