What a sad thing all the way around wrote:
Its egun wrote:
Derek Murphy.
His legacy is that he pursued a man until he killed himself,
That is Derek Murphy’s legacy.
Congratulations Derek Murphy.
Wow, and you feel good about yourself posting things like this? What a hypocrite!
Lol. The funniest thing is that he thinks this site is anonymous. My earlier bait worked wonders.
Derek’s name is forever associated with this death.
For once derek will be on the other end of the outcry and justifiably so. Now maybe he will get the effect his “work” has on real people and not just faceless names from a race result.
I want to believe this will help him change his approach. But I doubt it.
What a sad thing all the way around wrote:
Its egun wrote:
Derek Murphy.
His legacy is that he pursued a man until he killed himself,
That is Derek Murphy’s legacy.
Congratulations Derek Murphy.
Wow, and you feel good about yourself posting things like this? What a hypocrite!
Why? Isn’t this 100% true. There was nothing wrong with this post.
Why should derek be exempt from the scrutiny he gives to others?
Gjfjhh wrote:
Derek’s name is forever associated with this death.
If by "forever" you mean "until next week when the general public forgets all about this whole thing," I agree.
Yeah, Kaiser Permanente wants everyone to know about the trustworthy doctors they employ.
Djfjfjbjj wrote:
Why should derek be exempt from the scrutiny he gives to others?
Derek is not exempt from scrutiny.
He has written articles based on facts. You are free to scrutinize those articles. You are free to scrutinize his posts on this forum.
If you don't feel that reporters should provide facts to the public, you may have a problem with far more people than just Derek Murphy.
Who are all of these posters who say they are new to the forum, never followed it, and then begin to attack the forum?
The posters who say that running isn't important (on a forum about running!), and then say that it wasn't worth a man's life. Running was important enough that Frank Meza meticulously planned and executed cheating at marathons.
Posters who say bullying on this forum was what caused his death, and then proceed to bully the members on this forum.
Posters who deny the evidence, but who claim not to have read any of the posts.
Posters who attack Derek Murphy as being responsible for Frank's death but have no idea what he has been doing over the past few years, his methodology, or how he reluctantly stepped into examining Frank Meza's results. Oh, wait. You would have had to read the actual posts in the forum to know about this. They couldn't be bothered, but they go on the attack. More unscrupulous behaviour.
Posters who cite racism as a motivating factor for picking on Frank. Again, not knowing anything about Letsrun or Derek Murphy. Anyone who has spent time on the Marathon Investigation Site (Derek's site, for you newbie posters) or on Letsrun knows that at least in this respect, the examination of race cheaters is colour blind. Mike Rossi, Kip Litton, Julie Miller... I could go on and on!!!
Nothing any of you newbie posters attacking Letsrun or Derek Murphy have said has made an iota of difference in changing our minds, but instead exposed you for being the exact thing you accuse others of being. Cyberbullies. Ignorant.
You don't break into a church in the middle of Mass and ask everyone to convert to the church of Satan.
Time to consider your future postings. You have not said anything new, and every time you post something exposing your ignorance or blowing off the evidence, all you do is incite the threads on Letsrun to keep multiplying and growing. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it was the ignorant posters in the original thread who jumped to defend Frank in the first place that led to more and more uncovering of evidence that finally led to the discovery of the image of Frank on a bicycle. One of the newbie posters actually requested a smoking gun in the form of a photo of Frank on a bicycle, because they simply wouldn't believe anything else. Well, you got it. In the end, it was the piling up of the evidence and the certainty that he cheated based on the new evidence that led to this outcome.
Please take solace in your memories of the good he did and the person he was to you. There is no need to seek vengeance by posting here.
Gjfjhh wrote:
Derek’s name is forever associated with this death.
For once derek will be on the other end of the outcry and justifiably so. Now maybe he will get the effect his “work” has on real people and not just faceless names from a race result.
I want to believe this will help him change his approach. But I doubt it.
If you can't see:
1) The years FM cheated countless time
2) the fact he lied over and over to friends, family, etc
3) His doubling down and claiming it was people defaming him
4) How his family now is lying to paint a rosy picture of him
Then you really don't get the notion of responsibility, accountability, and consequences for bad behavior. I am sorry Dr. Meza is dead. However, no one acted in malice or presented findings that were untrue. The only person to do that was Dr. Meza. This is going to blow over and people here and even non-runners are going to want to know about racing cheats. Marathon investigation is going to live on. To also think this is simply the running community that cares about cheating is shortsighted. People in general don't like cheaters/liars. Tragically, now his family is having to cover for him and probably lying themselves knowing the truth. He didn't just lie, he compelled his family to as well to defend him. The notion that 'the truth will set you free' is not simply a platitude. It is a foundational way to live.
HS stepped up? wrote:
Djfjfjbjj wrote:
Why should derek be exempt from the scrutiny he gives to others?
Derek is not exempt from scrutiny.
He has written articles based on facts. You are free to scrutinize those articles. You are free to scrutinize his posts on this forum.
If you don't feel that reporters should provide facts to the public, you may have a problem with far more people than just Derek Murphy.
Derek is not a journalist. His site is based on the sensational. He is selective with facts and doesn’t care about anything but clicks.
Why do you think we should limit what we look at with Derek? I think people should scrutinize every aspect of his life ...just like he does. People should hound him like he does.
The difference his action maybe pushed someone over the edge.
Some who cuts a course is comparatively harmless.
Bcjchnvn wrote:
The difference his action maybe pushed someone over the edge.
Some who cuts a course is comparatively harmless.
Yes, cutting the course is comparatively harmless. There is no need to take your own life for that.
I think people are mixing up things here. Frank Meza cheated in running competition because somehow it mattered to him to "produce" fast times. People just pointed out that he cheated.
His family probably would have loved him even with a 4 hour marathon time. This was all a self fabricated problem.
marafun wrote:
Who are all of these posters who say they are new to the forum, never followed it, and then begin to attack the forum?
The posters who say that running isn't important (on a forum about running!), and then say that it wasn't worth a man's life. Running was important enough that Frank Meza meticulously planned and executed cheating at marathons.
Posters who say bullying on this forum was what caused his death, and then proceed to bully the members on this forum.
Posters who deny the evidence, but who claim not to have read any of the posts.
Posters who attack Derek Murphy as being responsible for Frank's death but have no idea what he has been doing over the past few years, his methodology, or how he reluctantly stepped into examining Frank Meza's results. Oh, wait. You would have had to read the actual posts in the forum to know about this. They couldn't be bothered, but they go on the attack. More unscrupulous behaviour.
Posters who cite racism as a motivating factor for picking on Frank. Again, not knowing anything about Letsrun or Derek Murphy. Anyone who has spent time on the Marathon Investigation Site (Derek's site, for you newbie posters) or on Letsrun knows that at least in this respect, the examination of race cheaters is colour blind. Mike Rossi, Kip Litton, Julie Miller... I could go on and on!!!
Nothing any of you newbie posters attacking Letsrun or Derek Murphy have said has made an iota of difference in changing our minds, but instead exposed you for being the exact thing you accuse others of being. Cyberbullies. Ignorant.
You don't break into a church in the middle of Mass and ask everyone to convert to the church of Satan.
Time to consider your future postings. You have not said anything new, and every time you post something exposing your ignorance or blowing off the evidence, all you do is incite the threads on Letsrun to keep multiplying and growing. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it was the ignorant posters in the original thread who jumped to defend Frank in the first place that led to more and more uncovering of evidence that finally led to the discovery of the image of Frank on a bicycle. One of the newbie posters actually requested a smoking gun in the form of a photo of Frank on a bicycle, because they simply wouldn't believe anything else. Well, you got it. In the end, it was the piling up of the evidence and the certainty that he cheated based on the new evidence that led to this outcome.
Please take solace in your memories of the good he did and the person he was to you. There is no need to seek vengeance by posting here.
Great post.
Derek the fake Investigator wrote:
Goodbye LR wrote:
I hope the Brojos are sh*tting their running shorts (wait they don't even run anymore). I hope they get the gawker treatment.
They are sexists, racists, and despicable people who turned a love of running into r/thedonald.
Someone is likely going to do some MI-style investigation into MI (how many skeletons are in your closet Derek?), and LRC (Wejo seems to be in the clear, as well as Malmo. Rojo has a lot to worry about.).
Sorry, but your post is ridiculous. Nobody has anything to worry about.
Frank cheated and lied about it when exposed. Others investigated and uncovered undeniable evidence of the cheating. Frank took his own life which is very sad.
That is all there is to this story. All nonsense about other people being to blame is nonsense. All nonsense about others having something to worry about is nonsense.
Agree, the group around FM need an intervention. This sordid story will only get worse with their misplaced blame.
I know the media mentions MI and LetsRun as being the two sources of the sleuths, but quite a bit of it probably comes possibly from the MI website commenters, Facebook commenters, etc.
I didn’t see crazy bullying on letsrun (but I didn’t review the letsrun threads on FM extensively) but I am thinking this FM guy even though he apparently cut courses may have been a target because he’s such high standing being an MD, etc., while the blue collar runner takes a lot of pride in not cheating and wonders why in this case the high standing guy has to break the rules of the game when competing. Also, just speculating here but the MI website commenters are probably more BQ oriented goal guys than the letsrun forum guys, so they may be more likely to dig up info on FM that’s potentially more likely to be inappropriate and unrelated to the simple facts and circumstances around FM’s marathon performances.
Good Morning America is far more responsible for what happened than LetsRun. Millions saw that show, mere thousands here. And they mocked him on GMA.
midnitelamp wrote:
Good Morning America is far more responsible for what happened than LetsRun. Millions saw that show, mere thousands here. And they mocked him on GMA.
So what. Everyone involved should be held accountable. Two wrongs don't make it right. Or even less wrong for that matter. There's plenty of blame to go around and please understand me correctly: there is plenty of blame to be found here.
midnitelamp wrote:
Good Morning America is far more responsible for what happened than LetsRun. Millions saw that show, mere thousands here. And they mocked him on GMA.
Would have never occurred but for LRC carrying on and "making it go viral" by contacting national media. LRC got what it wanted.
would there have even been a good morning America segment w/o Letsrun though?
Took Me Awhile got what he wanted, unlimited trolling that magically made everything worse. Hypocrite!
Trolling & enabling & apologizing for crooked behavior. Clearly what was needed, in his mind...