If you closely look at the replay Felix's right arm was just as much over the line as the Brazilian girl.
If you closely look at the replay Felix's right arm was just as much over the line as the Brazilian girl.
Wow, the English announcer is a dumb as a bag of rocks. Can't he look down and see the 9 lanes. Almost everything he says is wrong.
Sleepy wrote:
They'll be practicing all afternoon.
With Dennis Mitchell coaching them... what could go wrong?
They should let China in the redo too!
Running sub 42.70 is NOT a done deal in this redo. The US is at serious risk of not running the time since they may be more inclined to run it as a time trial without a competitor in the race.
Since China is the odd man out if the US runs sub 42.70, they should have the right to run in the "redo" race too. It works out for both teams:
* China gets the opportunity to defend their place in the final
* The US will run it like a real race and not like a practice session time trial. With a competitor in the race they'll run it like a race and not like a practice session.
They're just gonna drop the baton again on the redo, it's not like China has anything to worry about.
I wonder how highly an all 100h of the three medalist and Harrison post world record would do as a flat 4x1.
Old Track Dude wrote:
They should let China in the redo too!
Running sub 42.70 is NOT a done deal in this redo. The US is at serious risk of not running the time since they may be more inclined to run it as a time trial without a competitor in the race.
Since China is the odd man out if the US runs sub 42.70, they should have the right to run in the "redo" race too. It works out for both teams:
* China gets the opportunity to defend their place in the final
* The US will run it like a real race and not like a practice session time trial. With a competitor in the race they'll run it like a race and not like a practice session.
I don't see how that benefits China.
SDTrackCoach wrote:
Something no one ever thinks about: Though Felix was on the world record setting team she really does not have much relay experience when compared to most world class female sprinters.
While at LA Baptist in High School, she pretty much was the entirety of their team, which rarely ran relays at all.
She skipped college track all-together, so she had zero college relay experience.
Her leg on the world record 4x100 was amazing, but she was a completely different level of "fast" that year. With a running start she was as fast as any woman in the world; that is not the case now.
Jenna Prandini, and EVERY OTHER female sprinter available for the US relay pool, have much more relay experience that Felix. When you think about it, it's quite possible that Felix has run under 15 4x100 relay legs in her entire life! When you couple that fact, with the fact that she is not currently one of the US's fasted six women in the 100, it seems a horrible decision to run her at all.
All that being said, I love Felix as an athlete and a person, but the US continues to make poor relay choices. I've been a sprints/hurdles coach at the HS level for 24 years. One thing I know, the 4 fastest kids in the 100 are not always the 4x100, but it is extremely important to have the right parts at the right time. The most inexperienced member of relay team is both taking and giving a hand off on the biggest stage of all, something she has struggled with before, and yet, here we are.
I agree with this in its entirety. Tom Hammond kept referring to the rookies on the relay team, but who has the most & more recent relay experience?
Question 1 - Will US be required to use the same runners as this morning?
Question 2 - Will China's protest be upheld afterwards?
No, when using the overhand pass, as the US women were using, the incoming runner on leg 2 has the baton in the left hand, so she runs on the outside of the lane so that the hands line up with the outgoing runner, who's receiving with the right.
The outgoing runner says on the inside of the lane which places her right hand in the middle of the lane during the pass. The incoming runner stays in the outside of the lane so her left hand is in the middle of the lane during the pass.
The brazilian runner interrupted/impeded Felix, who was precisely where she was supposed to be. The mistake Felix made, was panicking much too early, she still had half the zone to complete the pass. The baton should have never been tossed, as that is an illegal pass regardless. The baton must travel from hand to hand to be considered a fair pass.
cheapsteak wrote:
amkelley wrote:I like option 3. Seriously, I don't see why this couldn't work.
I like option 4. With a little practice I think they will blow the doors off the existing 4x100m three-legged race!
One team could just run the relay back and forth in lane 9 on the homestretch
The third photo in this article CLEARLY shows
1)a wild Brazilian 3 ft chicken wing
2) Felix is 1-2ft in her own lane
3) The other women with the baton are in the same damn area of the lane (width-wise) as Allyson
4) Gardner's position within the lane is too "central", forcing Allyson path to her right.
I'm assuming the US can use anyone in their relay pool to run the re-run. China's protest will be dismissed, as that was already considered before the US was granted a re-run. The US is the team that gets screwed here...they were definitively impeded with and now have to run a time trial by themselves for an Olympic final birth, which is an extremely tough thing to do. Anyone who has ever run on a high school relay where the other team has no team competing has experienced who virtually impossible it is to run an outstanding time being the only team.
messi wrote:
SDTrackCoach wrote:Something no one ever thinks about: Though Felix was on the world record setting team she really does not have much relay experience when compared to most world class female sprinters.
While at LA Baptist in High School, she pretty much was the entirety of their team, which rarely ran relays at all.
She skipped college track all-together, so she had zero college relay experience.
Her leg on the world record 4x100 was amazing, but she was a completely different level of "fast" that year. With a running start she was as fast as any woman in the world; that is not the case now.
Jenna Prandini, and EVERY OTHER female sprinter available for the US relay pool, have much more relay experience that Felix. When you think about it, it's quite possible that Felix has run under 15 4x100 relay legs in her entire life! When you couple that fact, with the fact that she is not currently one of the US's fasted six women in the 100, it seems a horrible decision to run her at all.
All that being said, I love Felix as an athlete and a person, but the US continues to make poor relay choices. I've been a sprints/hurdles coach at the HS level for 24 years. One thing I know, the 4 fastest kids in the 100 are not always the 4x100, but it is extremely important to have the right parts at the right time. The most inexperienced member of relay team is both taking and giving a hand off on the biggest stage of all, something she has struggled with before, and yet, here we are.
I agree with this in its entirety. Tom Hammond kept referring to the rookies on the relay team, but who has the most & more recent relay experience?
Question 1 - Will US be required to use the same runners as this morning?
Question 2 - Will China's protest be upheld afterwards?
rojo wrote:
Froglv wrote:The new Re-do rule I love it. Make up rules as they go. Cool.
What part of "it's in the rulebook" do you not understand?
I think way more races should be rerun. Womens 800 at us trials?
There's a fair bit of inconsistency in here.
Scenario 1 - Mead was interfere with in the 5k, same as D'Agostino et al in the women's 5k. They were advanced to the final without having to re-run the race and match the slowest qualifying time
Scenario 2 - relay team was interfered with, and rather than being advanced to the final they are being made to re-run the race
Maybe because there is a hard limit on number of participants in the relay? And because it would be unfair for distance runners to have to rerun a distance event (greater effort than sprinting)?
If this had happened in the 4x400 rather than the 4x100 lane sharing might be an option in which case the affected team wouldn't need to re-run the race
The interference looked intentional. The positioning. The wild arm.
No way that was an accident
SDTrackCoach wrote:
No, when using the overhand pass, as the US women were using, the incoming runner on leg 2 has the baton in the left hand, so she runs on the outside of the lane so that the hands line up with the outgoing runner, who's receiving with the right.
The outgoing runner says on the inside of the lane which places her right hand in the middle of the lane during the pass. The incoming runner stays in the outside of the lane so her left hand is in the middle of the lane during the pass.
The brazilian runner interrupted/impeded Felix, who was precisely where she was supposed to be. The mistake Felix made, was panicking much too early, she still had half the zone to complete the pass. The baton should have never been tossed, as that is an illegal pass regardless. The baton must travel from hand to hand to be considered a fair pass.
Felix had the baton in her left hand, not her right (closest to Brazilian) hand.
SDTrackCoach wrote:
I'm assuming the US can use anyone in their relay pool to run the re-run. China's protest will be dismissed, as that was already considered before the US was granted a re-run. The US is the team that gets screwed here...they were definitively impeded with and now have to run a time trial by themselves for an Olympic final birth, which is an extremely tough thing to do. Anyone who has ever run on a high school relay where the other team has no team competing has experienced who virtually impossible it is to run an outstanding time being the only team.
messi wrote:I agree with this in its entirety. Tom Hammond kept referring to the rookies on the relay team, but who has the most & more recent relay experience?
Question 1 - Will US be required to use the same runners as this morning?
Question 2 - Will China's protest be upheld afterwards?
China can seek a temporary injunction from a Brazilian judge until their appeal can be heard by CAS. The final will be run two years later in The Hague, Netherlands.
messi wrote:
SDTrackCoach wrote:No, when using the overhand pass, as the US women were using, the incoming runner on leg 2 has the baton in the left hand, so she runs on the outside of the lane so that the hands line up with the outgoing runner, who's receiving with the right.
The outgoing runner says on the inside of the lane which places her right hand in the middle of the lane during the pass. The incoming runner stays in the outside of the lane so her left hand is in the middle of the lane during the pass.
The brazilian runner interrupted/impeded Felix, who was precisely where she was supposed to be. The mistake Felix made, was panicking much too early, she still had half the zone to complete the pass. The baton should have never been tossed, as that is an illegal pass regardless. The baton must travel from hand to hand to be considered a fair pass.
Felix had the baton in her left hand, not her right (closest to Brazilian) hand.
Yes, I know, I was explaining why.
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Allyson did exactly what Manu Ginobili and Vlade Divac made a living doing in the NBA. She sold the call by tossing the baton. If she fights through the chicken wing but hands off beyond the end line, then the referee might not give that call. But throwing the baton and flailing is exactly what James Harden would've done. Two free throws and a re-run. Well played Allyson.
If only they had used a high jump bar as a baton.