knower of things. wrote:
Primero, I like you kid, but please, you're smarter than this. making easily refutable statements like this makes you sound like donald trump...
Why are you bringing Donald Trump into this conversation??? All of the presidential candidates make easily refutable statements, so making statements like that makes you sound ignorant and hypocritical.
apologies, I did skim that a bit quickly, I suppose. just figured since we were talking about the womens 10K and Ayana, then by extension the 2nd ethio would be T dibaba, not G. I do agree that there's likely doping going on, but Ayana has (thus far) insulated herself quite well from any LOGICAL association with doping, and thus (most) attempts to associate her are not on a firm foundation, only on loose speculation. Again, she's likely dirty but, like Lagat, we have zero solid evidence to make that speculation. Let's just hope that testing is up to par.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I was referring to the little sister who broke the 1500m world record and is coached by the coach that got caught with EPO not Tirunesh who has not broken a WR in the past year. I thought that was obvious.
Just making a point that two athletes from a country with a completely out of compliant anti doping federation break the heavily tainted Chinese records which were untouchable for years.
Yes, but trumpypants has taken it to a whole new level of refutableness (did I just make up a word/bushism?), so it's a reasonable association. As posted above, he was actually referring to G, whereas I took his comments to be directed to the 10K competitors (i.e., Ayana and T. Dibaba), so I'm the idiot today :)ps: your attempt at logic makes zero sense, as it only affirms that the analogy works with everyone, including trump.
vygyyg wrote:
Why are you bringing Donald Trump into this conversation??? All of the presidential candidates make easily refutable statements, so making statements like that makes you sound ignorant and hypocritical.
I sort of agree with some parts of what you said.
In conclusion:
1) Ms. Paula Radcliffe is a Brit Doper-Cheater-Liar®.
2) Ms Paula Radcliffe of Monte Carlo, Monaco is a total annoyance on TV as an announcer. I absolutely can't stand Paula on TV talking about anything.
3) Ms. Paula Radcliffe is still a much better announcer on TV than Tom Hammond of NBC. Even Ato has not been able to make Tom Hammond stop talking.
4) Nobody can stop Tom Hammond of NBC from talking.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
800 Coach 23 wrote:Why is it that you American idiots feel the reference point for doping is the top American?
American basketball is so much ahead of the rest of the world that they must be doped. C'mon Magness..get a life. Huddle and the other top American women would not be able to put in one workout with these Ethiopian and Kenyan women.
NBA and NFL/MLB also are a joke. We already knew it.
For years we have been saying that Ma's athletes were all doped up. Almost everybody here said that Ma Junren doped up his athletes to the gills.
Renato Canova said that Ma Junren had his crew doing insanely workouts. The amount of quality/quantity workouts was massive. So, it was not only doping. It was doping+brutal training.
However, Chinese records were already OBLITERATED by Genzebe Dibaba and Almaz Ayana.
So, what kind of training are Ethiopians doing? there is not only "smart training". It's not enough.
So right, to do insane workouts, especially at altitude, you need to be able to recover within a reasonable time to gain any benefit from these workouts and what makes you recover from hard workouts quicker? Drugs.
so if a non american athlete excels in their sport they must be doped but if Americans excel they are the holy grail....
-Ledecky must be clean but Katinka must be doped...
-Ayana must be doped because she ran well and she is not american?
can we slow down on the stupidity on these forum. Like seriously
Why is doping even illegal anyways? It's available to everyone and supposedly the clean athletes manage to win anyways so the advantage is pretty non-existent.
Trackbot! Compare Steve Magness to God
She is confident and gracefull : East African athletes are illiterate(not everyone ) but thier greedy European or American managers are cheating and forcing them to dop ! Most of the athletes who fall the tests are even don't know what they were taking
254runner wrote:
so if a non american athlete excels in their sport they must be doped but if Americans excel they are the holy grail....
-Ledecky must be clean but Katinka must be doped...
-Ayana must be doped because she ran well and she is not american?
can we slow down on the stupidity on these forum. Like seriously
Magness has openly criticized suspicious American performances as well. Your accusations of xenophobia are misplaced.
What frustrates me the most about Magness' and other peoples' doping comments is how INCONSISTENT they are.
Why in the world is he praising Van Niekerk, a guy who just smashed the 400m WR that was called untouchable??
I actually tend to agree that Ayana's record is illegitimate (because it just doesn't pass the eye test for me), but I am not a *relatively* influential voice in T&F spouting stuff with no basis.
Why is WVN clean but not Ayana? What about Coburn? 3rd in a global championship seems unreasonable. Jager? 8:00 (sub 8 without the fall).
The OOC testing argument is valid, but so is the 'covered up' test argument that could be in play for Jager, etc.
Just watched a re-run of Ayanas gold medal from Rio.
Actually cringeworthy viewing, absolute nonsense.