CoachKev wrote:
All other times recorded are from races in the last two years. To say the times he did when he was young should still translate into current times is silly.
The guy's 34, right? 30 min 10k talent doesn't just go away. Are you really a coach because you sound a bit clueless?
CoachKev wrote:
I can't see why there is so much focus on 10k times or 5k times. How on earth does this really matter when you can run crazy distances again and again. I realise that according to the books and calculators that if you can run a 10k in a certain time that this should correlate to a predicted marathon time. But how on earth does that have any relevance when you are running across a country and trying to beat an established record.
His 5k and 10k times were actually when he was younger and a competitive GB triathlete. he represented GB for the 20-24 age category in Olympic and long course for his age category.
There is so much focus on that 10k time because it is actually good and verifiable. In all of my years of running, I can look up about 95% of my race times right now. I'm guessing he is going to say that it was a split in marathon he did that was his 5th of the day with no sleep or something like that. We don't want proof of the 10k to compare to his his currently marathon/ultra times, we just want proof because we think it's BS. And if his 10k PR is 30:47, his 5k PR cannot be 15:56. The problem with this guy is that he claims to be so pure hearted and charitable, and has an "amazing" story from his childhood, so if just a few pieces of his story turn out to be fake, the whole thing will come tumbling down.
CoachKev wrote:
The tracker is not on Rob, it's on the RV, It is there to show you where he is so you can join him on the run not to show how fast he is running. The RV will sped up and slow down according to traffic and conditions. It may even not be moving but Rob may well be running whilst it is stationary, getting petrol etc.
His crew are almost as tired as he is and they are all totally upset with this reaction to a genuine attempt to beat a fantastic record. Rob takes this all too personally and that is not a good thing. He is letting negativity affect him and I for one think it's a shameful thing to do.
I'm sorry, but this makes it even more suspect. On the RV and not on the runner? So, I have known a few people to do Long Runs over multiple days with Live Trackers and with crew support (runners, cyclists, vehicle), and they have always worn the tracker on them - the runner. I have also seen the trackers taking longer Point Data (12 minutes) and ones take shorter Point Data (2-5 minutes). However, if they are worried about the tracker dying out, it appears that this guy is taking ample breaks to allow for charging time in the RV without moving.
Again, the tracker not being on the runner is suspect and the fact that in a much earlier post where someone went out to run with him and only seen the RV and no runner - Now Makes Perfect Sense to suspect this guy for cheating.
Lets Run sniffs out these frauds and brings them to justice.
CoachKev wrote:
I have been in contact with Rob and his team and they are sorting the relevant data for me. In the meantime I want to point out a few things.
The tracker is not on Rob, it's on the RV, It is there to show you where he is so you can join him on the run not to show how fast he is running. The RV will sped up and slow down according to traffic and conditions. It may even not be moving but Rob may well be running whilst it is stationary, getting petrol etc.
His crew are almost as tired as he is and they are all totally upset with this reaction to a genuine attempt to beat a fantastic record. Rob takes this all too personally and that is not a good thing. He is letting negativity affect him and I for one think it's a shameful thing to do.
Here is a link to his VLM marathon in 2015 which has some splits
http://results-2015.virginmoneylondonmarathon.com/2016/2015/?content=detail&fpid=search&pid=search&idp=9999990F5ECC83000016BBF2&lang=EN_CAP&event=MAS&search%5Bname%5D=young&search%5Bfirstname%5D=robert&search%5Bsex%5D=%25&search%5Bnation%5D=%25&search_sort=name&search_event=MASand a link to his NDW100 which he did after a double marathon the day before. The NDW is one of the toughest 100 milers in the UK and to do 23.52 hours here is a tall order.
http://www.centurionrunning.com/results/2014/eventbrite-ndw100-2014-race-report/results/Rob's gift is the ability to run very long distances day in and day out. I can't see why there is so much focus on 10k times or 5k times. How on earth does this really matter when you can run crazy distances again and again. I realise that according to the books and calculators that if you can run a 10k in a certain time that this should correlate to a predicted marathon time. But how on earth does that have any relevance when you are running across a country and trying to beat an established record.
His 5k and 10k times were actually when he was younger and a competitive GB triathlete. he represented GB for the 20-24 age category in Olympic and long course for his age category.
All other times recorded are from races in the last two years. To say the times he did when he was young should still translate into current times is silly.
Rob has run in hundreds of events in the UK and with hundreds of people who all know he is the real deal. If you doubt him then as I mentioned earlier I suggest you run with him. There is space in his RV if you want to come along and witness this attempt and see who Rob is as a person and a runner.
He currently has GPS, independent witness with Skins, ESPN filming, CCTV America, witnesses and other runners who have run with him. all the documentation and more.
Rob has even offered Marcus Miller to come out and run with him but it appears there are multiple fake accounts which are causing issues and spreading doubt.
Rob and his team understand the record is great and that you want to keep it in the USA and he respects that. He is barely on pace for the record and really doesn't need this negativity.
If you don't want to believe he is capable of this then PLEASE, PLEASE run with him and back up your own disbelief. If you cannot take the time to do this then please ask a person of integrity to run with him who is in the local area that he is running in.
You all know local runners, ultra runners, celebrities, even the police could drive alongside him for a while just to see what is actually happening.
The first video just shows driving past an RV and that's it, the second shows nothing. How is this any sort of proof that Rob is not doing what he says he is doing.
As I get more data I will again post on here for you.
Sorry but pointing to one or two results just isn't going to cut it here. So he ran a marathon and 100 miles in *okay* times, nothing spectacular, and that might not translate to an incredible cross-country effort. But where are the records of his marathon PR, his triathlon history, his career with a professional cycling team that you've mentioned? Even those 5k and 10k PRs, if they occurred during a triathlon, would be recorded somewhere, and they are featured on his website and wikipedia page so its entirely fair to ask where they came from since the lack of verifiable data on the current run has caused people to look into and question his past efforts as well.
BREAKING NEWS!
Last night, while sitting in the RV for a few miles, Robert expressed his desire to finish fast and try to run about 5:15 pace for the last 10 miles, so his crew has asked Jill Greathouse to pace him for this section into New York City. They also reached out to Dane Rauschenberg and Parvaneh Moayedi to see if they would be interested in helping him get across Pennsylvania since Jill would now be taking the last section of his run. Dane eagerly accepted the invitation, began printing his own bib number and then went back to eating his beef dinner. No word yet from Parvaneh. Apparently, she had an early start to a marathon she is running this morning.
finderofevidence wrote:
Same guy?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Robert_Young_(triathlete)
Oh wow, a lot of pictures of him in his triathlete days, and in GB uniform. So maybe that proves the triathlete history.
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//RTV/2007/07/05/RTV997807/?s=tennisThe third clip shows him talking.
Rob's response to the Asher incident on FB:
"Luke I'm giving this attempt my best and suffering not for self gain...... but for something else. Why did this one individual not call out at me or come to the rv etc or go in front and show themselves.I dont know when they came out so I ask We're we stationary on a rest break then of course I would be inside or were we moving and if so why no flag us so we know your there to join for a run / walk.
Luke I can say so much more on this but I'm walking and typing this.
What are the odds his 15 / 30 / 1.08 pbs were *allegedly* set during random triathlons / training runs with no data to back it up.
Certainly after the year 2000, power of 10 is very comprehensive (Robert would have been 18 then). To run those times in the last 15 odd years and completely evade this database is extremely unlikely in my opinion (and that's being polite).
I have no idea if this guy is for real or not, but the spate of posts that basically say "trust me. Rob is a good guy. Allegations of cheating are disgusting. I would verify things, but I am too busy being great. Anyone who questions Rob should just train harder, etc." are all common in the early stages of a fraud investigation.
Once fraud becomes incontrovertible these posts magically stop and the posters are never heard from again.
It will be interested to see how this plays out.
The only way we will get certainty is to have some people follow him on a bike or car for days on end. I wish I was in the area to assist.
Heavyd84 wrote:
finderofevidence wrote:Same guy?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Robert_Young_(triathlete)
Oh wow, a lot of pictures of him in his triathlete days, and in GB uniform. So maybe that proves the triathlete history.
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//RTV/2007/07/05/RTV997807/?s=tennisThe third clip shows him talking.
Those TdF pics are of Team Milram, which has a real wiki entry. Mr Young isn't listed on their roster. Anyone have connections to the cycling world to verify? Surely a TdF/pro level rider is well known and documented in that community. Do any of the pro bikers in the pics actually look like Mr Young to anyone?
Honestly, there is a very easy way for Robert and his team to verify what he is doing. If he's clocking something like 5:55 miles for 10 miles at a time, just film it. If his team has access to a computer and the internet (which they clearly do, being able to post on this board), there's NOTHING stopping them from turning on a camera for less than an hour and showing Robert bust out these splits. If they upload two separate videos over the course of 24 hours showing Robert maintain these paces, then I for one would be satisfied by the evidence.
If he cut the course by even one mile he is DQ'd. Full stop. We don't need words from Robert, we need data.
B S wrote:
Did the OP get the license plate number of the RV he was tracking? If not then I call bullshit on this story.
I think the "Skins" logo on the back of the RV, and the waving American flag (both visible in the first video) should be sufficient in place of a licence plate. If not, I want you in the jury if I ever get in trouble.
CoachKev wrote:
I have been in contact with Rob and his team and they are sorting the relevant data for me. In the meantime I want to point out a few things.
The tracker is not on Rob, it's on the RV, It is there to show you where he is so you can join him on the run not to show how fast he is running. The RV will sped up and slow down according to traffic and conditions. It may even not be moving but Rob may well be running whilst it is stationary, getting petrol etc.
His crew are almost as tired as he is and they are all totally upset with this reaction to a genuine attempt to beat a fantastic record. Rob takes this all too personally and that is not a good thing. He is letting negativity affect him and I for one think it's a shameful thing to do.
Here is a link to his VLM marathon in 2015 which has some splits
http://results-2015.virginmoneylondonmarathon.com/2016/2015/?content=detail&fpid=search&pid=search&idp=9999990F5ECC83000016BBF2&lang=EN_CAP&event=MAS&search%5Bname%5D=young&search%5Bfirstname%5D=robert&search%5Bsex%5D=%25&search%5Bnation%5D=%25&search_sort=name&search_event=MASand a link to his NDW100 which he did after a double marathon the day before. The NDW is one of the toughest 100 milers in the UK and to do 23.52 hours here is a tall order.
http://www.centurionrunning.com/results/2014/eventbrite-ndw100-2014-race-report/results/Rob's gift is the ability to run very long distances day in and day out. I can't see why there is so much focus on 10k times or 5k times. How on earth does this really matter when you can run crazy distances again and again. I realise that according to the books and calculators that if you can run a 10k in a certain time that this should correlate to a predicted marathon time. But how on earth does that have any relevance when you are running across a country and trying to beat an established record.
His 5k and 10k times were actually when he was younger and a competitive GB triathlete. he represented GB for the 20-24 age category in Olympic and long course for his age category.
All other times recorded are from races in the last two years. To say the times he did when he was young should still translate into current times is silly.
Rob has run in hundreds of events in the UK and with hundreds of people who all know he is the real deal. If you doubt him then as I mentioned earlier I suggest you run with him. There is space in his RV if you want to come along and witness this attempt and see who Rob is as a person and a runner.
He currently has GPS, independent witness with Skins, ESPN filming, CCTV America, witnesses and other runners who have run with him. all the documentation and more.
Rob has even offered Marcus Miller to come out and run with him but it appears there are multiple fake accounts which are causing issues and spreading doubt.
Rob and his team understand the record is great and that you want to keep it in the USA and he respects that. He is barely on pace for the record and really doesn't need this negativity.
If you don't want to believe he is capable of this then PLEASE, PLEASE run with him and back up your own disbelief. If you cannot take the time to do this then please ask a person of integrity to run with him who is in the local area that he is running in.
You all know local runners, ultra runners, celebrities, even the police could drive alongside him for a while just to see what is actually happening.
The first video just shows driving past an RV and that's it, the second shows nothing. How is this any sort of proof that Rob is not doing what he says he is doing.
As I get more data I will again post on here for you.
First, thanks for posting here and starting to address some questions. Don't be surprised or turned off by what you perceive to be negative comments here or anywhere else. If you've followed endurance sports over the last few years you know there is plenty of reason for a healthy dose of skepticism. If I were in Rob's shoes and putting myself out there I might also be sadenned but would definitely understand why questions are being asked.
Here's what it boils down to. Rob is trying to achieve something pretty significant and newsworthy. It's extremely important that his performance is fully vetted, especially when we're talking about a possible record. With that said, I ask you if it was you going for the record would you not want your performance to be thoroughly documented so that there is no doubt you completed the whole thing? I know for sure I would at least want complete video coverage. He and team cannot be seriously thinking that they would just go about this without any bit of scrutiny.
Can you ask him why the GPS device is not on his body? Can you find out if there is continuous video footage of his feat and if not then why not? I understand that Guiness may not require this kind of proof but my god they have a team and RV and its 2016, wouldn't it be pretty easy to get continuous video of the whole thing?
As far as ascertaining the accuracy of his PBs, the way it works with people who start getting public recognition is that they are held to a standard of honesty. Rob himself has discussed his background so I think it's completely reasonable that we have access to proof of his times. It is not fair to call him out on being a liar or cheat right now, purely based on what we know and don't know right now, but I can assure you people will continue to scrutinize him to a whole new level unless they see some basic corroboration of his performances. Thanks again for looking into it.
Also:
Looks like he was doing these charity things way back in 2004, article refers to him as 'world long course triathlon champion'
The guy is an unbelievable narcissist. I assume the Team Milram claims are false as evidenced by the following from March 2012;
"Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Without knowing of Milram2010, I have username-blocked Milramteam as a role account - see Team Milram. JohnCD (talk) 10:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Edits by Milram2010/Milramteam did not attempt to represent either the company Milram, or the now defunct Team Milram cycling team. Both accounts, and a number of IPs, have had only one interest: to post claims about a cyclist/triathlete called Robert Young, with a total disregard for requests that these claims have some verification. Some of the claims have been demonstrably false, some have been plausible but totally unverified, some have been highly POV. Kevin McE (talk) 11:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)"
Taken from
http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Milram2010/Archive/wiki_ph_id_0
finderofevidence wrote:
Also:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040713231636/http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/news/show-news.asp?id=272Looks like he was doing these charity things way back in 2004, article refers to him as 'world long course triathlon champion'
World Long Course Triathlon Champion???
That's my title.
Thanks, keep it coming. We still need to see the results corroborating his PBs. Most of all, people want to see evidence that he is completing this xc run in its entirety. Him being a nice guy, having friends vouch for him, a GPS on the RV, and random people joining him on a few miles here and there is not nearly sufficient proof that he's doing the whole thing. Complete video footage is not asking for much IMO.