Detroit Piston Richard Hamilton a 4:30 miler?

Hey, guess what, you're in excellent shape, congratulations. Two years ago, I was able to run 38:30 for 10k after not having run in fifteen days. That doesn't mean every Joe Schmo can not run for fifteen days and do it.

Running 4:30 is f***ing tough, despite what you might imagine, because it comes easy to you.

blade wrote:

Jerry Rice ran a road 5k (Bay Area Race for Asthma) in 1989, and clocked a very respectable 15:09.

I was the race director, so this is a fact.

However, Rice did a great deal of training (hills, in particular).

Cheers,

Rick Duque

"That settles it," he said glumly. A guy paid millions to catch thrown footballs had covered 5K faster than he ever had. "I f***ing quit." Remembering at that point that he hadn't run a step in over ten weeks, he acknowledged that this boozy declaration was something in between an afterthought and a foregone conclusion.

Rip Hamilton is awesome! of course he can run however fast he can run...he's a PROFESSIONAL ATHELETE

Go Pistons!

who would lie about running anyways?

Guys, Rip is the best conditioned athlete in the NBA. He runs back and forth sprinting for 40 minutes, and they opposition had multiple guys guard him because they are all tired. Rip CAN run a 4:30, he is wiry and has endurance.

yoyoirunyo wrote:

Guys, Rip is the best conditioned athlete in the NBA. He runs back and forth sprinting for 40 minutes, and they opposition had multiple guys guard him because they are all tired. Rip CAN run a 4:30, he is wiry and has endurance.

what is that? 40 x 40yds? i wouln't even call that an easy day.

TM wrote:

1984 Superstars 1/2 mile run:

1. Greg Foster 2:18.04

2. Ray Mancini 2:19.3e

3. Billy Olson 2:31.6e

4. Marcus Allen 2:31.8e

5. Cliff Branch 2:34.2e

6. Storm Davis 2:35.4e

Hey, how come those super-athletic ballplayers like Marcus

\Allen and Cliff Branch can't run a 1/2 mile at sub-5 mile

pace, or even beat a pole vaulter? And barely beat Storm Davis? I should think they do lots of sprinting and stuff in practice.

Seems like ballplayers can run great mile times in anecdotal tales, but not when they are actually timed with a stopwatch. Some sort of quantum phenomenon.

It was far more important to save yourself for the obstacle course which was the last event and always decided the winner!!!

He can do what he says no problem. At Uconn they run and they run....and he ran. Let me tell ya, they run so much at Uconn in the early season you'd be surprised and now he is a pro playing more frequent than ever and is an avid runner on top of all that. It's rediculous that this has become a concern for many. He played ball at Uconn...the man is familiar with running, period.

[quote]I call BS wrote:

In the most recent issue of Runner's World, the Pistons' Hamilton claims he can run a mile in under 5 minutes "probably like 4:30", he says. He also claims he trains by runnning 1-3 miles a day (7-21 miles a week?) at an "all-out sprint". When he runs on a treadmill, he'll "start at 8 mph and run for a minute. When [his] legs are loose, [he] put the speed and incline up and go hard for a mile or five minutes."

Jerry Rice never ran a 14:40 5K! That's insane, and perhaps the biggest piece of crap I've ever heard.

It's really too bad that "The Battle of the Network" stars isn't on anymore. That show was freaking awesome. Professional athletes going against television actors in all kinds of events. I NEVER saw a professional athlete do well in any of those events, and many involved running in some way or fashion. As I remember it, Scott Bao (sp?) of Chachi fame used to clean up, leaving professional athlets gasping in his wake.

Richard Hamilton is a great athlete. What he's not though is a 4:30 miler - especailly when he says "I can run a sub 5 minute mile, PROBABLY 4:30". Well, if he does it then I'll believe it. NO ONE WHO GUESSES WHAT KIND OF SHAPE THEY ARE IN IS EVER RIGHT, AND ESPEICALLY NOT NON-RUNNERS. (And YES, Richard Hamilton is a non-runner; he runs a bit, but he doesn't not run to race, and he does not race, and so he is a non-runner).

Some of you guys really need to let go of this absurd elitism you are assigning to running. Saying Hamilton is a non-runner is completely nuts. You're just envious because he would destroy you in a mile race. Why is it so hard to believe that a PRO athlete could run under 5:00 for a mile? It's not like we are debating if Shaq could run 5:00. It's freakin' Rip Hamilton - have you ever watched him play? He's in way better shape than anyone in the league.

The only bball player I have seen on the superstars information, and its Dave Cowens who was I believe retired at the time, and he was a Center who was 6'9" 240lbs or so.

HALF MILE RUN

1. Renaldo Nehimiah 2:08.29

2. Peter Mueller 2:08.6e

3. Dave Cowens 2:26.3e

4. Vince Ferragamo 2:28.5e

5. Wilbert Montgomery 2:39.8e

HALF MILE RUN

1. Danny Harris 2:02.78

2. Herschel Walker 2:14.9e

3. Al Joyner 2:15.0e

4. Gary Anderson 2:15.9e

5. Ricky Sanders 2:16.6.e

6. Tim Brown 2:16.7e

James Lofton, a football player, kicked Carl Lewis' ass in the half mile.

HALF MILE RUN

1. James Lofton 2:03.83

2. Carl Lewis 2:16.95

3. Willie Gault 2:17.0e

4. Renaldo Nehimiah 2:18.3e

5. Dusty Dvorak 2:18.4e

Tiki Barber ran a good time in 2001, Rip is better runner than him too.

HALF MILE RUN

1. Tiki Barber 2:09

*2. Alberto Tomba 2:14

*3. Hermann Maier 2:12

Half Miles Schmalf Miles. I ran a 2:03 800 in high school and only ran 4:32 for 1600. Besides, these guys weren't Rip Hamilton and that picture makes it look like they're running downhill - it isn't on a track anyway, so I give no credence to the times. Can't predict what a person will RUN based on their supposed fitness level in another sport. Who would think that King Carl would lose a half mile race to James Lofton?

Richard Hamilton can run a 4:30 mile WHEN HE RUNS ONE, and not until then.

Jim Rome - OUT!

"Clueless"? "Don't actually understand"?

Don't make The Jerk laugh.

Please, let The Jerk refer you to The Jerk's previous words on this topic:

The Jerk is sorry, but if you dismiss the possibility of a 4:3x by Hamilton out-of-hand, it is you that are "clueless" and "don't actually understand."

Watch any NBA game (that doesn't end in a brawl), pay some attention to the guards, and try to pretend this isn't a fartlek workout that you'd log. If Hamilton calculated the amount of running he does the way some letsrunners do, he'd be putting in "100 milers" for half of the year.

Add to this his team practices, long-term conditioning and obvious natural talent, and you've got a guy that could easily drop a 4:3x.

Not that he even cares.

Hey, while you're at it, try to pretend that you wouldn't shit yourself if a guy looking like Hamilton showed up to your next road race in flats and started doing strides.

The Jerk wishes it wasn't so, but there might be more raw middle-drawer track talent on the nation's basketball courts and football fields than there is on the tracks.

ok, back to a previous post. Yall were saying 4 30 is so easy, though my high school isn't the best at track (private school in manhattan) our school mile record is a 4 32, and has been standing for 14 years. So while 4 30 isn't a superb high school time, it takes mile specific training and some talent. I'm not saying Rip couldn't do it off of a reasonable base, but there is no way he could even dip below 4 40 in his current condition. Can you believe any thign those NBA stars say?

Jim Rome wrote:

NO ONE WHO GUESSES WHAT KIND OF SHAPE THEY ARE IN IS EVER RIGHT

Very true.

And almost no one guesses they are slower than they really are.

To the guy on the 6th page who posted about soccer players:

My club soccer team freshman through senior year of high school would have put the numbers you posted to shame regarding the 300y shuttle. And I also find it hard to believe that most professional soccer players, and most certainly at the outside midfielder and forward positions, would not be able to break 5:00 for the mile. At the midfield and forward positions on my club team, we had 5 kids under 2:02 for the 800, and 3 under 4:35 for the mile.

On another note: has anyone here ever heard of the "Beep Test" or something like that? It's used to judge a soccer player/basketball player's speed endurance.

i ran a 4:38 as a SOPH in highschool comin out from basketball. my first mile race was 5:05, in basketball shoes, but i ran the 4:38 within 6 weeks or so (running in some shitty asics spikes). and i was no rip at the time. now im in college as a 3:52 1500 guy, strugglin to make regionals outdoors.

i cant understand why people would think a 4:30 is so fast, because its truely not, it actully sucks pretty bad. i pick on the 430 milers i know. if hes a 430 guy i could destroy him. whats the big deal?

i think most of the people arguin this are in fact pretty average runners.

with 1-2 months of middle-distance trainin i could see the guy touchin 4:30.

2. At least some of your players must be selected for their aerobic capacity. Someone on your team must be able to do the running to disrupt your opponent's attacks and support yours; in other words, two way players. The '97 Seals had several. The more players that are chosen for technical considerations who can't do the running, the harder those who can must work, and the fitter they must be. The players who will be designated to do the lion's share of the running must be aerobic animals. The ability to get aerobically fit at a high level is a talent, just as is the ability to acquire motor skills. The way in which you decide if a player has this talent is open to question, but I have found that if a player comes to you in shape he should be able to run 1 1/2 miles in 8:20. Someone with the proper gene combinations and specific training will run 8:00, and after an intensive protocol, I had one player run under 7:30. This is the pace at which a good high school distance runner will run 2 miles, so we are not talking about finding world class distance runners and teaching them soccer. We ran the 1 1/2 mile test as six laps around a high school track. We try to get all players, including goalkeepers, to run at the same time as a team building exercise.

Tom Phillips--pro soccer coach

Well, this coach had some pretty good credentials, as several of his players made it to major pro soccer leagues and one was a national team member at the time he wrote this. I don't know why he would lie about it. The reason he wrote the article was to give advice on how to train some soccer players to be good endurance runners. He had nothing to gain by being deceptive.

As far as your club team with it's 5 sub 2:02 800 guys and 3 sub 4:35 milers, I have to ask, what kind of club is this? You call them "kids", so what age are we talking about? Did they run these times in soccer practice, or were they also track athletes? Because I find it hard to believe that you would have that level of running performance during a club soccer practice, and if they accomplished those times while they were track athletes, who cares? The debate as I see it is, can athletes from ball sports just bust out 4:30 miles without doing any special training for it? Few people are denying that a lot of these guys would be good track athletes if they actually trained for track--the debate is whether or not they are good track athletes without training for track.

dukerdog wrote:

Jim Rome wrote:

NO ONE WHO GUESSES WHAT KIND OF SHAPE THEY ARE IN IS EVER RIGHT

Very true.

And almost no one guesses they are slower than they really are.

GREAT, GREAT take. PHENOMENAL! Most of you clones, you come into The Jungle and you go on and on and on thinking that that will get you the Huge Call of the Day, but dukerdog comes in and does it in a sentence.

Nice going there DUKERDOG.

Jim Rome - OUT!