10.19(0.3) by Gout Gout in the U20s. Semis and finals tomorrow. I think the Final is about 12:20am ET. As for his 200m run, it may have been wind aided but i believe that he can achieve it anyways. He was likely at 19.8/9 shape last year if he had caught a good wind at the right time. He ran 19.84(+2.2), 20.10(-1.9), 20.02(0.0) in 2025.
All of this is great running by Gout - from last week at the senior champs to this now.
And yet putting the times aside the biggest question still remains. When he gets into a race outside of Australia vs deep, world class fields where he isn't a lock to win (like he is vs 17-18 year olds or Australian domestic athletes) can he hold it together, or does he go "yard sale" like we have seen previously where he tries so hard it looks like an arm or a leg could unbolt itself (no pun intended) and go flying off into the front row of the bleachers?
Can't wait to see him in action in Europe later this season (where you would expect the world 200m leader to be racing, right?)
In 2025, he won a race at Monaco and came 4th in his semi final at Worlds Champs while 17. So it is not like he has been hiding from the world in Australia.
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....rojo's article about unicorn conditions is also nonsense.
He quotes journalists who speculate about 'swirling winds' without reference to readings or observations. Notwithstanding the fact that a speculative 'tailwind on bend' and a 1.7m/s tailwind on straight could not both occur at same time as a NNW prevailing wind.'
Then,, the 1.7m/s tailwind itself is not Unicorn, it would happen several times at 200m races. It is a normal legal sub 2m/s wind.
Why don't you look at obervations, whilst also asking witnesses that were on that bend?
Do you think drugs could be more than equivalent to a strong tail wind - that no one seems to be able to find?
You'd have to imagine (quite unlikely) that 'all' took drugs, or you can judge corectly with facts that Gout's time is not an outlier in terms of previous times, slight progression and allowing for the 1.7m/s straight tail.
Then, if he didn't need more wind, wasn't helped by more wind on bend, why would the others have benefited or ran the bend extraordinarily fast (we don't have their splits)?
All one can say without speculation is that yes there was a tail wind, no there isn't evidence of a bend tail wind (in fact evidence against), and therefore most likely they had the performance drag effect
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All of this is great running by Gout - from last week at the senior champs to this now.
And yet putting the times aside the biggest question still remains. When he gets into a race outside of Australia vs deep, world class fields where he isn't a lock to win (like he is vs 17-18 year olds or Australian domestic athletes) can he hold it together,0 or does he go "yard sale" like we have seen previously where he tries so hard it looks like an arm or a leg could unbolt itself (no pun intended) and go flying off into the front row of the bleachers?
Can't wait to see him in action in Europe later this season (where you would expect the world 200m leader to be racing, right?)
What you do not realise is that within Gout's physical growth period, he didn't start off with ideal physical attributes like tendons etc which has required a measured and slow rebuild and correction. A reason for a slow start (and getting better) are achilles that were so tight that the feet pointed dowwards and resulted in fact in 'falling forward' on face when starting.
His coach is on record that the progress on that has been measured for peaking when it matters. The current product is much better and the finished product will even be more so
The fact that you are 'Distant Observer' and I have already stated I was a "Close Observer', should be all. The rest is speculation.
The weather station is one mile due north, specifically 1.88km to the 200m start. That weather station never recorded anything other than W to NNW the entire afternoon. In fact the whole of the Sydney metropolitan likewise.
Now people are trying to speculate, based on nothing other than the times recorded, that the wind 'must have' suddenly been SE, for only 10 sec though, then a 1.7m/s component as N. Crazy
Gout's splits also do not support or call for such a scenario.
Isn't it enough to just say that a fast race enabled most to run faster than they ever have at a time when they were peaked for such an occasion?
If you look at the triple jump results for example you'll see that the wind varied between -1.3 and + 7.1 which seems to indicate that the wind at the venue was switching around significantly.
Participating in a National track meet in Ohio, wind readings for our long jump varied from -0.9 to +2.4. Wind is a fickle thing. However, my bet on the fast Gout Gout time is the newly installed track.
Your point, however, I can’t make sense of. care to elaborate/reformulate?
19.67 by a guy like Gout, considering all the other times, the event, etc is believable to me to be clean. Not saying it is, just that it is believable. Again, I could see him at 19.75-19.85 this season. Neither do such a time, nor does his progression, indicate use to me.
Gout isn't the only one who pr'd. Most of the runners in this race did. Are they all believable, too?
If this took place amongst a bunch of Jamaicans or Ugandans (or in a women's race in the US - not mentioning anyone in particular) would it all still be believable?
And all within allowable wind limits and in a sport where the former head of WADA has warned dopers aren't being caught. "Sceptical" reads better than "believable".
Why do people keep saying that Gout Gout 200m 19.67 might have been wind aided....it was not wind aided!
The wind reading was 1.7 m/s official.
Stop casting doubt, Australians know how to run an event...the officials are world class level status. All the runners in the race were trying to beat an exceptionally talented Gout Gout and were rewarded with great personal bests in a National Championship final.
It's kind of hilarious how different LRC reacts to a shocking PB by an American versus an athlete from anywhere else in the world. Lutkenhaus drops a 1:42 from nowhere? Cool! Generational talent! Light the fireworks everyone! Erriyon Knighton runs 19:49? Incredible! The biggest talent since Bolt! USA, USA, USA! Gout runs 19:67? Hmm, I don't know, this can't be right, we need to discredit it in some way
Why do people keep saying that Gout Gout 200m 19.67 might have been wind aided....it was not wind aided!
The wind reading was 1.7 m/s official.
Stop casting doubt, Australians know how to run an event...the officials are world class level status. All the runners in the race were trying to beat an exceptionally talented Gout Gout and were rewarded with great personal bests in a National Championship final.
Obviously in other races where they are running against top athletes and don't commit personal bests they are not trying.
All of this is great running by Gout - from last week at the senior champs to this now.
And yet putting the times aside the biggest question still remains. When he gets into a race outside of Australia vs deep, world class fields where he isn't a lock to win (like he is vs 17-18 year olds or Australian domestic athletes) can he hold it together,0 or does he go "yard sale" like we have seen previously where he tries so hard it looks like an arm or a leg could unbolt itself (no pun intended) and go flying off into the front row of the bleachers?
Can't wait to see him in action in Europe later this season (where you would expect the world 200m leader to be racing, right?)
What you do not realise is that within Gout's physical growth period, he didn't start off with ideal physical attributes like tendons etc which has required a measured and slow rebuild and correction. A reason for a slow start (and getting better) are achilles that were so tight that the feet pointed dowwards and resulted in fact in 'falling forward' on face when starting.
His coach is on record that the progress on that has been measured for peaking when it matters. The current product is much better and the finished product will even be more so
Why do people keep saying that Gout Gout 200m 19.67 might have been wind aided....it was not wind aided!
The wind reading was 1.7 m/s official.
Stop casting doubt, Australians know how to run an event...the officials are world class level status. All the runners in the race were trying to beat an exceptionally talented Gout Gout and were rewarded with great personal bests in a National Championship final.
Of course it was 'wind aided' the wind gauge at the meet said so, hence all the runners ran personal bests! That it wasn't aided above the limit allowed for official records doesn't mean it was negligible. I'd definitely feel the difference between running a 200m with a 1.7m/s at my back. That it was 'wind-legal' doesn't mean that a tailwind doesn't help, the published calculator shows that with that tailwind an unaided time would be 19.79.
Why do people keep saying that Gout Gout 200m 19.67 might have been wind aided....it was not wind aided!
The wind reading was 1.7 m/s official.
Stop casting doubt, Australians know how to run an event...the officials are world class level status. All the runners in the race were trying to beat an exceptionally talented Gout Gout and were rewarded with great personal bests in a National Championship final.
Of course it was 'wind aided' the wind gauge at the meet said so, hence all the runners ran personal bests! That it wasn't aided above the limit allowed for official records doesn't mean it was negligible. I'd definitely feel the difference between running a 200m with a 1.7m/s at my back. That it was 'wind-legal' doesn't mean that a tailwind doesn't help, the published calculator shows that with that tailwind an unaided time would be 19.79.
When most of the field run pbs with minimal wind assistance, as it was within the permissable limits, then some things can look too good to be true.
Do you think drugs could be more than equivalent to a strong tail wind - that no one seems to be able to find?
You'd have to imagine (quite unlikely) that 'all' took drugs, or you can judge corectly with facts that Gout's time is not an outlier in terms of previous times, slight progression and allowing for the 1.7m/s straight tail.
Then, if he didn't need more wind, wasn't helped by more wind on bend, why would the others have benefited or ran the bend extraordinarily fast (we don't have their splits)?
All one can say without speculation is that yes there was a tail wind, no there isn't evidence of a bend tail wind (in fact evidence against), and therefore most likely they had the performance drag effect
The 'doubt' over the validity of this national championship final and it's wind reading is lessened by the performances in Botswana
The 'doubt' over the validity of this national championship final and it's wind reading is lessened by the performances in Botswana
Can you please elaborate? Which specific performances in Botswana? By whom? Did Gout run close to 19.67 in Botswana?
Aidan Murphy just split 44.0 and held off the bronze medallist from last year’s WC. That makes his 19.8 more believable (if it had to be). Reece Holder split 43.1 but that’s another matter.
Can you please elaborate? Which specific performances in Botswana? By whom? Did Gout run close to 19.67 in Botswana?
Aidan Murphy just split 44.0 and held off the bronze medallist from last year’s WC. That makes his 19.8 more believable (if it had to be). Reece Holder split 43.1 but that’s another matter.
I believe Murphy will go sub 20 again, maybe not another PB.
Gout, on the other hand will have a dozen or more sub 19.80, including making semis over 200 in the next Olympics, then the final in his home Olympics. There has been 154 performances sub 19.80 in history.
Smith and Lewis in the 19.7's, Lemaitre at 19.80...imo it's possible to go 19.67 cleanly. And if anyone can do it, it's a guy like Gout--long, thin, knee lift, low contact time, consistent sprint form over 200m, not exhausted from an over-wrought first 50m, young.
You miss the point of the thread. Virtually the entire field pr'd. They are all clean?
Yep. I know you think everyone is doping, but there is no evidence any those Aussies are doping, other than that they ran fast peaking in a national final on a brand new track.
Aidan Murphy just split 44.0 and held off the bronze medallist from last year’s WC. That makes his 19.8 more believable (if it had to be). Reece Holder split 43.1 but that’s another matter.
I believe Murphy will go sub 20 again, maybe not another PB.
Gout, on the other hand will have a dozen or more sub 19.80, including making semis over 200 in the next Olympics, then the final in his home Olympics. There has been 154 performances sub 19.80 in history.
Also the Aussie 100 and 400 records are in serious trouble. Kennedy with good conditions can break the 10 record, and Gout and esp Nketia could push it too.
As for the 400 record, that seems unlikely to see out the year, sorry DC. Reece Holder is the obvious one to break it, but after those splits, Reynolds and Murphy with good conditions are a shot too.
I believe Murphy will go sub 20 again, maybe not another PB.
Gout, on the other hand will have a dozen or more sub 19.80, including making semis over 200 in the next Olympics, then the final in his home Olympics. There has been 154 performances sub 19.80 in history.
Also the Aussie 100 and 400 records are in serious trouble. Kennedy with good conditions can break the 10 record, and Gout and esp Nketia could push it too.
As for the 400 record, that seems unlikely to see out the year, sorry DC. Reece Holder is the obvious one to break it, but after those splits, Reynolds and Murphy with good conditions are a shot too.
If one of Reynolds or Murphy gets to it first it's possible it could go down twice.
You miss the point of the thread. Virtually the entire field pr'd. They are all clean?
Yep. I know you think everyone is doping, but there is no evidence any those Aussies are doping, other than that they ran fast peaking in a national final on a brand new track.
That they all did it in one race in a sport where the former head of WADA acknowledges antidoping is "ineffective" is enough reason to be sceptical. Kenyans aren't the only athletes doping.
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Yep. I know you think everyone is doping, but there is no evidence any those Aussies are doping, other than that they ran fast peaking in a national final on a brand new track.
That they all did it in one race in a sport where the former head of WADA acknowledges antidoping is "ineffective" is enough reason to be sceptical. Kenyans aren't the only athletes doping.
Like I said, zero evidence. That’s drawing a very long bow. I know one of them that ran a big PB and can assure you he is not doping.