BREAKING: Multiple Iowa State Athletes Suspend for Season for "Breaking Team Rules," Confirmed via Head Coach Jeremy Sudbury

How many have to get caught doping on the Iowa state team for you to stop with all this BS. Jeremy Sudbury and Cale Wallaces careers should be over.

Let's focus on the biggest doping scandal in NCAA at Iowa State first.

There needs to be an age limit. No one competes beyond 24. That is 6 years beyond HS.

Erythropoietin is commonly prescribed for kidney dialysis and cancer patients who are suffering from anemia. It comes under the trade names Procrit, Epogen and Retocrit. It is a blackbox prescription and tightly controlled generally if trying to obtain it through Dr/pharmacy channels. But it is a very commonly used drug in research and in that arena it can be obtained with less scrutiny. ...It is found through illicit channels pretty easily just as anabolic steroids and HGH. It does require injections into the muscle or subcutaneous (under the skin). It also needs to be handled and stored safely in the fridge, not ever frozen or shaken. The movie documentary Icarus is a good watch for learning about EPO use by an amateur.

Who are the guys? I don't know if they are foreigners or Americans.

Amazing. The names being mentioned are American runners yet you can "promise" its the Kenyans that are cheating. And the American is a scapegoat??

What a clown.

Heavily involved in the setup of the Big 12 Cross Country meet. I’m hearing the Big 12 is setting up legitimate testing post race this next Friday. Interested to see who “sits” out and who doesn’t.

As someone who ran for the program I can tell you for sure that they could give a crap about what people are writing online.

Some things that the coaches do that would influence someone to take things and fall into the win at all cost and any measure philosophy is this.

Coaches going into SA houses to check for junk food.

Weighing athletes and giving them specific targets to hit

Paying for altitude tents for athletes to have at home and encouraging as much time in there as you can get.

Playing mind games and making athletes do things only to test their commitment (4am practice)

Punishing the entire team for the mistakes of one athlete. (Someone forgot their workout flats and practice was canceled)

Telling athletes you better get the F-ing job done or I’ll fine someone who can.

Nothing listed is specifically illegal to do but for student athletes it creates a do or die situation where maybe your best isn’t good enough. And if your best isn’t good enough and failure isn’t an option what else is there to do?

Why come on a message board to say all of this. Do something about it and protect future kids from dealing with the same b$

I thought I’d seen it all on LetsRun until I read this thread.

This thread is hilarious.

White/JV runners from America are possibly caught doping at Iowa State and the conclusion Half of you have is “Blame the overage foreigners.”

Similarly, we have doping case after doping case. From Ruth Chepngetich to Asbel Kiprop to maybe Iowa State. Who does the poster above blame? LetsRun.com as it’s full of people saying there is lots of doping.

Yes there is lots of doping. I’ve never said the only way to run well is to cheat.

My general belief if C teamers are most likely to dope.

And Sebastian Sawe has shown us the way forward. If you take 25 drug tests before your big race, I’m assuming your are clean. The WMM can easily clean up the very top by doing that for every race.

Someone with a better running career correct me if I’m wrong, but I was always told in college that if you podiumed at NCAA XC, you were drug tested.

Why?

If this is EPO, it’s the third EPO case I’ve heard about in the NCAA.

Both the other two were isolated cases and in both cases the runners were kicked off the team. Both coaches are very prominent in the NCAA today.

I think the should be commended for kicking these guys off the team. I just want more info. We need names. Who is on the roster? Who isn’t on the roster?

For those interested, here's a good article from quit a few years ago in RW (of all things) about drug usage, the effects, and how athletes get sucked into using PEDS. The article is an interview with Eddy Hellebuyck, a guy that was always close but never a big winner.. until he started using.

runnersworld.com

Special Feature: The Confessions of Eddy Hellebuyck

An American marathon champion, suspended several years ago for doping, finally revealed the truth behind the charges—and why he sought redemption.

Link:www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a208...

Who are the guys? Nobody has stated if Ametican or not. No names have been removed from their website.

Please does not spreading hate, bigotry, racism and misinformation. Please does not. We is not need misinformation on LRC.

Reminds me of the OSU/Shea Foster case from a few years back when he was pulled out of NCAA XC nationals the day before there home meet where they lost to NAU. It was cited as 'violating team rules'.

Some of the athletes on the team had found needles in his bag (he'd been taking EPO hence his massive jump in performance- one of the biggest I've seen). When they reported it to coach Smith he threatened to kick them all off the team if they said anything to anyone about it. He didn't want to report it so pulled Shea from the race the day before. Shae went and ripped a 10k time trial on the course on race morning. Time would've put him 45th in the race had he run.

Then last year he qualified for the Paralympics. Was making a huge song and dance about it on Instagram, received all the gear, did all the media shoots and then suddenly went quiet and didn't complete, never mentioned anything. I'm guessing they found out about his doping, (although that is a complete guess).

Why?

If you are so stupid that you don't realize that some athletes of your team are doping, you deserve to be fired.

If you are so corrupt that you tolerate - not to mention encourage - doping on your team, you deserve to be fired.

It's either one or the other (or both).

Weren't you upset with some agents because they managed dopers? Coaches are much closer to their athletes than agents. At least they should receive the same bans as their athletes.

P.S. See also here in the Ed Eyestone thread:

How many runners are doping in NAIA? Look at the kid that won the outdoor 1500 that would've won the NCAA outdoor by 6 seconds and now isn't anywhere near past times for XC as a grad student at a D1 school. Very little testing at any division and they wounder why they have issues at the World level with clean runners. My suggestion is a lifetime ban with the first positive test and it would fix the problem pretty quickly.