But the deaths were later established to have been due to the nurses mixing the vaccine with an expired muscle relaxant, instead of water.
RFK literally had not a thing to do with it. Not. A. Single. Thing. You only maintain this nonsense because you're irrational and deranged. Blaming RFK for either of those incidents is completely false. You maintain it because you're psychotic.
RFK went to Samoa, appeared with antivax activists in Samoa, posted on social media about the risks of the vaccine in Samoa, wrote a letter to president warning him that it could be the fault of measles vaccine instead ... and then tried to cover it all up.
Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
You do not have the consumption of paracetamol in pregnant women. The one year blip is useless to your point. Also, if you were using your reasoning consistently then you'd have to accept the correlation between the highest consumption with the 2nd highest rates in the Nordic countries. But you don't so its not a valid excuse for both of those reasons.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
included in this analysis with the addition of four separate sibling-controlled study analyses
Sibling-controlled studies were included. Further...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
sibling comparison analyses have significant limitations that affect their interpretation. Only sibling pairs discordant on both exposure and outcome contribute to “within-pair” association, leading to strongly reduced statistical power compared to full cohort analyses.
But lets pile on...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
an earlier sibling-controlled study by Brandlistuen et al., using the same Norwegian MoBa cohort but with continuous neurodevelopment outcome measures, had a larger sample size (134 discordant pairs) and found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment in the sibling-controlled analyses
A sibling-controlled analysis which found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment.
You don't need an excuse to dispel a correlation one way any more than you need on to dispel one the other way. There is correlation between the decrease in acetaminophen consumption in DK and rise in autism rates. You can make excuses that the decrease in consumption maybe, possibly didnt affect pregnant women at all but neither of us can infer causality from the data.
You've yet to explain why Baccarelli down-rated the Ahlqvist sibling study on both strength of evidence and risk of evidence. The methods say "we opted for a qualitative synthesis." Ahlqvist had N=16000 siblings for ASD and N=31000 siblings for ADHD, and Bacarelli does not call out the reduced power in these studies.
He DOES try to blame poor exposure methods but he mis-cites and lies to do that.
"exposure assessment in this study relied on midwives who conducted structured interviews recording the use of all medications, with no specific inquiry about acetaminophen use." We know this to be false. Exposure assessment was done by midwives and physicians, but it was also done through the Prescribed Drug Register where all drug prescriptions are recorded, and the result was the same. So that’s a lie! He goes on: "Possibly as a resunt [sic] of this approach, the study reports only a 7.5% usage of acetaminophen among pregnant individuals, in stark contrast to the ≈50% reported globally." But this is also in error! The authors of the sibling control study explicitly documented that their exposure numbers were typical. For example, they noted high pre-pregnancy Tylenol usage among eventual mothers in neighboring Denmark, which collapsed to levels like what they observed in their study by the first trimester. He then states: "Indeed, three other Swedish studies using biomarkers and maternal report from the same time period, reported much higher usage rates (63.2%, 59.2%, 56.4%)" Curiously, the review only cites one of these studies after that statement, the source of the middle estimate of 59.2%. Dr. Baccarelli is not good at keeping his citation ducks in a row, and that's a repeated theme of his shoddy review. But the 59.2% estimate is self-reported from a select cohort of women enrolled in pregnancy weeks 8-13, and the number refers to usage between conception and enrollment, not just during pregnancy. Furthermore, out of the whole sample of over 8,000 women, only 9.4% of women reported using Ibuprofen or Tylenol, and the 59.2% number comes from a sample of 140 “selected to over-represent children with [learning disabilities].” Dr. Baccarelli didn't mention that! And why would he? He wanted to make a strong case against Tylenol; he clearly had no interest in doing a credible review of the literature.
From here:
I've seen far too many people taking the Tylenol-autism link seriously because of a lie from Harvard Dean of Public Health Andrea Baccarelli.
They're clearly hoping that his position and expertise will support the point, but they won't, because Dr. Baccarelli is a liar.
It's extremely suspicious that the guy who got paid to testify that tylenol causes autism tries throw out the strongest null evidence. He might have gotten away with it if he wasn't so sloppy with his citations and writing :)
the source of the problem here is the gap between RFK as products liability personal injury lawyer saying "i'll take your case," advocating for a client who thinks they suffered something, who thinks the dots connect, but has to convince a judge or jury
vs. literally putting that paranoid plaintiff's lawyer in charge of health policy. for a country we need a little better than a mix of "just asking questions" or "experts disagree."
aren't you the people who think these lawyers are making it all up? aren't you the people who think every other product lawsuit or chemical complaint is a scam? and bosses are trump friends.
but i said the other day where it all connects. if you want to cut what government covers on health care, you would be burned at the stake for going after the health care directly. so you start undermining the safety or efficacy of treatments one by one.
and since this is about budget cutting and tax cuts and such, who cares if the alternative is worse, the idea is already to discredit and defund CDC/HHS/FDA.
on "more research needs to be done," (1) DOGE just cut much of it and (2) are we really saying this issue would be the research priority.
this issue is the research priority because it's payback on wakefield and trying to revive a strained, largely discredited theory that pharma causes autism. usually oil barons don't throw more money down a "dry hole" obsession. they drill someplace else.
Not quite. Your Twitter source is referencing Trends in Use of Paracetamol in the Nordic Countries by Wastesson et al, and he has manipulated the graph from Figure 1. The study states, "total sales were highest in Denmark throughout the period, with 65 DDD per 1000 inhabitants/day" but his graph pushes this up closer to 70. Sus.
Sweden passed restrictions on PACK SIZE and AGE due to increasing reports of POISONING from paracetamol used in 'self-unaliving'. All the Nordic countries implemented such restrictions. "Pack size restrictions for OTC sales of paracetamol were issued in all countries at different time-points during the study period."
When the restrictions went into affect, usage shifted substantially to prescription from 40% to 80% and it immediately bounced back. See Fig 2. This discombobulated use of sources does NOT specify usage among pregnant women. You do not know that usage decreased in that group.
Denmark had the highest usage of paracetamol among the Nordic countries. It also has the 2nd highest prevalence of autism.
The DK data are from and are re-created by the author of the tweet thread.
Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
autism diagnoses went up when it went from a narrowly defined severe issue to a broadly defined "spectrum" that includes high functioning kids, ADHD, asperger's.
Never taken paracetamol or aspirin as I don't get headaches.
Didn't take the covid vaccine either. Unnecessary if you are young and fit.
self centered twit. as with many on the right, you are so self absorbed you don't understand epidemiology or the idea of vectors or carriers. what may cause you little harm can kill the adult you carry it to.
one reason to vaccinate young people is their own health, but another is they tend to like to gather at schools or entertainment places or churches and then go back home to adults, or interact with adults at those places. they pass it on to the people who can die.
or in the case of measles and such, they can die from it.
cuba has plenty of autism. they have multiple schools for kids with it. they have many doctors who work on it at least part of the time.
what they are doing with this argument is trying to argue backwards from my comment that truly poor places with little tylenol probably also lack the doctors and resources to diagnose much autism. rather than take that as a comment on resources they try and make that a correlation.
except cuba while shaky on tylenol supply has plenty of autism, enough to open whole schools for it and keep doctors busy with it.
i also see this as a broader, multi-level snake oil meta problem. you tell people to think for themselves while discouraging higher education. you then try and deregulate and flood the zone with sh*t. without good education it's hard to review graduate level studies and tell how they are faulty.
as such, deep down it's "every man for himself." at which point republicans have a massive blind spot for their own party's snake oil. like when they say, trust no one, think for yourself, maybe don't just parrot every right wing idea. like a walking contradiction.
but then most of the GOP leaders are ivy/ivy-plus educated and send their kids to higher education. they aren't fools. they think you are. "keep your guard up at all times" includes your own party.
Yes spot on.
Vance is one of the worst, IMO. His entire personality hinges on always taking to people he views as vastly dumber than he is
i mean people forget vance's first claim to fame was the hillbilly book that arguably paints poor white people from that area in a bad light. and then that's their base. hmm
Vance is one of the worst, IMO. His entire personality hinges on always taking to people he views as vastly dumber than he is
i mean people forget vance's first claim to fame was the hillbilly book that arguably paints poor white people from that area in a bad light. and then that's their base. hmm
He also claims a heritage that he does not have. He grew up in Middletown, Ohio. He visited family in the summer who lived in Appalachia.
RFK went to Samoa, appeared with antivax activists in Samoa, posted on social media about the risks of the vaccine in Samoa, wrote a letter to president warning him that it could be the fault of measles vaccine instead ... and then tried to cover it all up.
On 6 July 2018 two 12-month-old children died after receiving MMR vaccinations. The cause of death was incorrect preparation of the vaccine by two nurses
July 2018, the Samoan government paused MMR vaccination for 10 months to investigate the cause
May 2019, Samoan government resumes vaccination
June 2019, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited Samoa
By December 2019, vaccination rates reached 94%, significantly above the rates in 2017 of 74%
Fact: Kennedy had nothing to do with it. The incident with the two nurses eroded public trust, contributing to low vaccination rates before the 2019 measles outbreak. Not only did Kennedy have nothing to do with the drop in rates, his visit preceded a massive increase in vaccination rate from a low of 30% to 94%.
According to a consistent use of your rationalizing regarding Denmark/paracetamol, Kennedy INCREASED vaccination rates in Samoa. Well done!
RFK went to Samoa, appeared with antivax activists in Samoa, posted on social media about the risks of the vaccine in Samoa, wrote a letter to president warning him that it could be the fault of measles vaccine instead ... and then tried to cover it all up.
On 6 July 2018 two 12-month-old children died after receiving MMR vaccinations. The cause of death was incorrect preparation of the vaccine by two nurses
July 2018, the Samoan government paused MMR vaccination for 10 months to investigate the cause
May 2019, Samoan government resumes vaccination
June 2019, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited Samoa
By December 2019, vaccination rates reached 94%, significantly above the rates in 2017 of 74%
Fact: Kennedy had nothing to do with it. The incident with the two nurses eroded public trust, contributing to low vaccination rates before the 2019 measles outbreak. Not only did Kennedy have nothing to do with the drop in rates, his visit preceded a massive increase in vaccination rate from a low of 30% to 94%.
According to a consistent use of your rationalizing regarding Denmark/paracetamol, Kennedy INCREASED vaccination rates in Samoa. Well done!
Fact: his foundation paid for antivax facebook ads in Samoa in 2018 and 2019 and he wrote a letter to the president of Samoa asking him to consider if the vaccine caused the deaths. There is no cause/effect here, it just shows he's a morally bankrupt idiot.
Fact: Despite my saying 4 times now that the Denmark/paracetamol data do not imply causation you have latched onto this... very telling of how you assess evidence in other areas :)
You don't need an excuse to dispel a correlation one way any more than you need on to dispel one the other way. There is correlation between the decrease in acetaminophen consumption in DK and rise in autism rates. You can make excuses that the decrease in consumption maybe, possibly didnt affect pregnant women at all but neither of us can infer causality from the data.
You've yet to explain why Baccarelli down-rated the Ahlqvist sibling study on both strength of evidence and risk of evidence. The methods say "we opted for a qualitative synthesis." Ahlqvist had N=16000 siblings for ASD and N=31000 siblings for ADHD, and Bacarelli does not call out the reduced power in these studies.
He DOES try to blame poor exposure methods but he mis-cites and lies to do that.
It's extremely suspicious that the guy who got paid to testify that tylenol causes autism tries throw out the strongest null evidence. He might have gotten away with it if he wasn't so sloppy with his citations and writing :)
You were the one who made the inference in an attempt to make a gotcha point. All I did was dismantle it and render it useless. To clarify that: Population-wide consumption is not equivalent to consumption by pregnant women and their consumption is entirely the subject of the study.
Do you expect everyone to rely on the word of some strange anonymous Twitter profile? That is extremely suspicious. How do you know THEY are not lying? How do you know they're not being paid by pharma??? Maybe we do our own research....
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
Of women who reported N02B analgesic use (which includes acetaminophen) in the Medical Birth Register at the first antenatal visit, only 6.6% had a dispensation for an N02B analgesic in the past 180 days.
So, your source is the liar. There are at least 15 NO2B analgesics.
I found this prescient...
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
a 2014 commentary in Läkartidningen, the journal of the Swedish Medical Association, argues for a restrictive primum non nocere approach to acetaminophen. The author also cites public health advice given on the 1177 website – a national Swedish healthcare resource and the principal source of medical advice for Swedish residents – stating that “You [as a pregnant person] should avoid painkillers if you can…”
Primum non nocere means, "first do no harm". This is precisely the advice given by Trump, RFK Jr and Baccarelli. Now why do you suppose the Swedish Medical Association and a national Swedish healthcare resource would both give the same advice as Trump et al????
Your suspect source claims, "But this is also in error!" yet what he goes on to describe isn't an error, its an observational difference. So his characterization of "ducks in a row" is itself "shoddy".
More shoddiness: "But the 59.2% estimate is self-reported...and the number refers to usage between conception and enrollment, not just during pregnancy."
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
APAP was measurable in all urine samples and urinary APAP was correlated with the number of APAP taken during pregnancy
So, he's misleading with "self-reported" because it was actually taken from urine samples AND they measured during pregnancy.
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
In this population-based prospective study prenatal acetaminophen use was significantly associated with language delay in girls but not boys. Given the prevalence of prenatal acetaminophen use and the predictive value of LD, these findings, if replicated, would suggest that pregnant women take the precautionary action of limiting their use of this common analgesic.
I suppose every study finding a significant association is suspect/shoddy, huh? They have to be, because, you know, tRump!
You've got a huge task ahead since 27 studies found the same thing. Get out your torches and pitch forks for all those scientists!!! They're all in cahoots with RFK!!! They must have all been paid a tiny pittance to be an expert witness compared to billions and billions pharma makes every single year!!!
Fact: there are a LOT of studies demonstrating this association. Not 1, not 1 author. There's a signal. But because Trump repeated their results you TDSers got pregnant women to go on their Tik Toks gulping down Tylenol to spite Trump. All those scientists and medical associations are smacking their heads.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk–benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation.
That is literally the bottom line of Baccarelli et al and you are on the side disagreeing with it. Pregnant women should down Tylenol like tick-tacks, for the longest duration and without medical guidance. That's YOUR side's advice. TDS is currently the most harmful and dangerous threat to public health since the Plague.
Fact: his foundation paid for antivax facebook ads in Samoa in 2018 and 2019 and he wrote a letter to the president of Samoa asking him to consider if the vaccine caused the deaths. There is no cause/effect here, it just shows he's a morally bankrupt idiot.
Fact: Despite my saying 4 times now that the Denmark/paracetamol data do not imply causation you have latched onto this... very telling of how you assess evidence in other areas :)
Just like there is no cause/effect between RFK and Samoa. You walked right into that one. LOL
Bro, to repeat, I'm using YOUR rationalizations. You're the one who thought you were making a snappy point. I'm quite happy to accept you're admitting it was internally contradictory and kinda dumb. :)
You don't need an excuse to dispel a correlation one way any more than you need on to dispel one the other way. There is correlation between the decrease in acetaminophen consumption in DK and rise in autism rates. You can make excuses that the decrease in consumption maybe, possibly didnt affect pregnant women at all but neither of us can infer causality from the data.
You've yet to explain why Baccarelli down-rated the Ahlqvist sibling study on both strength of evidence and risk of evidence. The methods say "we opted for a qualitative synthesis." Ahlqvist had N=16000 siblings for ASD and N=31000 siblings for ADHD, and Bacarelli does not call out the reduced power in these studies.
He DOES try to blame poor exposure methods but he mis-cites and lies to do that.
It's extremely suspicious that the guy who got paid to testify that tylenol causes autism tries throw out the strongest null evidence. He might have gotten away with it if he wasn't so sloppy with his citations and writing :)
You were the one who made the inference in an attempt to make a gotcha point. All I did was dismantle it and render it useless. To clarify that: Population-wide consumption is not equivalent to consumption by pregnant women and their consumption is entirely the subject of the study.
Do you expect everyone to rely on the word of some strange anonymous Twitter profile? That is extremely suspicious. How do you know THEY are not lying? How do you know they're not being paid by pharma??? Maybe we do our own research....
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
Of women who reported N02B analgesic use (which includes acetaminophen) in the Medical Birth Register at the first antenatal visit, only 6.6% had a dispensation for an N02B analgesic in the past 180 days.
So, your source is the liar. There are at least 15 NO2B analgesics.
I found this prescient...
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
a 2014 commentary in Läkartidningen, the journal of the Swedish Medical Association, argues for a restrictive primum non nocere approach to acetaminophen. The author also cites public health advice given on the 1177 website – a national Swedish healthcare resource and the principal source of medical advice for Swedish residents – stating that “You [as a pregnant person] should avoid painkillers if you can…”
Primum non nocere means, "first do no harm". This is precisely the advice given by Trump, RFK Jr and Baccarelli. Now why do you suppose the Swedish Medical Association and a national Swedish healthcare resource would both give the same advice as Trump et al????
Your suspect source claims, "But this is also in error!" yet what he goes on to describe isn't an error, its an observational difference. So his characterization of "ducks in a row" is itself "shoddy".
More shoddiness: "But the 59.2% estimate is self-reported...and the number refers to usage between conception and enrollment, not just during pregnancy."
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
APAP was measurable in all urine samples and urinary APAP was correlated with the number of APAP taken during pregnancy
So, he's misleading with "self-reported" because it was actually taken from urine samples AND they measured during pregnancy.
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
In this population-based prospective study prenatal acetaminophen use was significantly associated with language delay in girls but not boys. Given the prevalence of prenatal acetaminophen use and the predictive value of LD, these findings, if replicated, would suggest that pregnant women take the precautionary action of limiting their use of this common analgesic.
I suppose every study finding a significant association is suspect/shoddy, huh? They have to be, because, you know, tRump!
You've got a huge task ahead since 27 studies found the same thing. Get out your torches and pitch forks for all those scientists!!! They're all in cahoots with RFK!!! They must have all been paid a tiny pittance to be an expert witness compared to billions and billions pharma makes every single year!!!
Fact: there are a LOT of studies demonstrating this association. Not 1, not 1 author. There's a signal. But because Trump repeated their results you TDSers got pregnant women to go on their Tik Toks gulping down Tylenol to spite Trump. All those scientists and medical associations are smacking their heads.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk–benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation.
That is literally the bottom line of Baccarelli et al and you are on the side disagreeing with it. Pregnant women should down Tylenol like tick-tacks, for the longest duration and without medical guidance. That's YOUR side's advice. TDS is currently the most harmful and dangerous threat to public health since the Plague.
My dog! That was an epic beat down. Well done. 👍
That’s what happens when one gets their medical info from Twitter and substack.
You don't need an excuse to dispel a correlation one way any more than you need on to dispel one the other way. There is correlation between the decrease in acetaminophen consumption in DK and rise in autism rates. You can make excuses that the decrease in consumption maybe, possibly didnt affect pregnant women at all but neither of us can infer causality from the data.
You've yet to explain why Baccarelli down-rated the Ahlqvist sibling study on both strength of evidence and risk of evidence. The methods say "we opted for a qualitative synthesis." Ahlqvist had N=16000 siblings for ASD and N=31000 siblings for ADHD, and Bacarelli does not call out the reduced power in these studies.
He DOES try to blame poor exposure methods but he mis-cites and lies to do that.
It's extremely suspicious that the guy who got paid to testify that tylenol causes autism tries throw out the strongest null evidence. He might have gotten away with it if he wasn't so sloppy with his citations and writing :)
You were the one who made the inference in an attempt to make a gotcha point. All I did was dismantle it and render it useless. To clarify that: Population-wide consumption is not equivalent to consumption by pregnant women and their consumption is entirely the subject of the study.
Do you expect everyone to rely on the word of some strange anonymous Twitter profile? That is extremely suspicious. How do you know THEY are not lying? How do you know they're not being paid by pharma??? Maybe we do our own research....
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
Of women who reported N02B analgesic use (which includes acetaminophen) in the Medical Birth Register at the first antenatal visit, only 6.6% had a dispensation for an N02B analgesic in the past 180 days.
So, your source is the liar. There are at least 15 NO2B analgesics.
I found this prescient...
Ahlqvist et al Appendix 1 wrote:
a 2014 commentary in Läkartidningen, the journal of the Swedish Medical Association, argues for a restrictive primum non nocere approach to acetaminophen. The author also cites public health advice given on the 1177 website – a national Swedish healthcare resource and the principal source of medical advice for Swedish residents – stating that “You [as a pregnant person] should avoid painkillers if you can…”
Primum non nocere means, "first do no harm". This is precisely the advice given by Trump, RFK Jr and Baccarelli. Now why do you suppose the Swedish Medical Association and a national Swedish healthcare resource would both give the same advice as Trump et al????
Your suspect source claims, "But this is also in error!" yet what he goes on to describe isn't an error, its an observational difference. So his characterization of "ducks in a row" is itself "shoddy".
More shoddiness: "But the 59.2% estimate is self-reported...and the number refers to usage between conception and enrollment, not just during pregnancy."
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
APAP was measurable in all urine samples and urinary APAP was correlated with the number of APAP taken during pregnancy
So, he's misleading with "self-reported" because it was actually taken from urine samples AND they measured during pregnancy.
Bornehag CG, Reichenberg A, Hallerback MU, et al. wrote:
In this population-based prospective study prenatal acetaminophen use was significantly associated with language delay in girls but not boys. Given the prevalence of prenatal acetaminophen use and the predictive value of LD, these findings, if replicated, would suggest that pregnant women take the precautionary action of limiting their use of this common analgesic.
I suppose every study finding a significant association is suspect/shoddy, huh? They have to be, because, you know, tRump!
You've got a huge task ahead since 27 studies found the same thing. Get out your torches and pitch forks for all those scientists!!! They're all in cahoots with RFK!!! They must have all been paid a tiny pittance to be an expert witness compared to billions and billions pharma makes every single year!!!
Fact: there are a LOT of studies demonstrating this association. Not 1, not 1 author. There's a signal. But because Trump repeated their results you TDSers got pregnant women to go on their Tik Toks gulping down Tylenol to spite Trump. All those scientists and medical associations are smacking their heads.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk–benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation.
That is literally the bottom line of Baccarelli et al and you are on the side disagreeing with it. Pregnant women should down Tylenol like tick-tacks, for the longest duration and without medical guidance. That's YOUR side's advice. TDS is currently the most harmful and dangerous threat to public health since the Plague.
First do no harm means looking at all harms. Telling pregnant women to prolong fevers or drastically increase maternal stress due to a hypothesis with poor quality supporting data is likely doing harm.
Baccarelli is knee deep in COIs. You’re taking his analysis at face value in an extremely gullible frame because… “your side” needs to vacuously defend killers like RFK. Charming.
Fact: his foundation paid for antivax facebook ads in Samoa in 2018 and 2019 and he wrote a letter to the president of Samoa asking him to consider if the vaccine caused the deaths. There is no cause/effect here, it just shows he's a morally bankrupt idiot.
Fact: Despite my saying 4 times now that the Denmark/paracetamol data do not imply causation you have latched onto this... very telling of how you assess evidence in other areas :)
Just like there is no cause/effect between RFK and Samoa. You walked right into that one. LOL
Bro, to repeat, I'm using YOUR rationalizations. You're the one who thought you were making a snappy point. I'm quite happy to accept you're admitting it was internally contradictory and kinda dumb. :)
RFK has been the face of the American antivaxx movement for 40 years. He could have never come within 3000 miles of Samoa and still been responsible.
The fact that he directly tried to get those kids killed is just icing on the cake.
“But but but RFK didn’t personally strangle those children how dare you besmirch his name”
You were the one who made the inference in an attempt to make a gotcha point. All I did was dismantle it and render it useless. To clarify that: Population-wide consumption is not equivalent to consumption by pregnant women and their consumption is entirely the subject of the study.
Do you expect everyone to rely on the word of some strange anonymous Twitter profile? That is extremely suspicious. How do you know THEY are not lying? How do you know they're not being paid by pharma??? Maybe we do our own research....
So, your source is the liar. There are at least 15 NO2B analgesics.
I found this prescient...
Primum non nocere means, "first do no harm". This is precisely the advice given by Trump, RFK Jr and Baccarelli. Now why do you suppose the Swedish Medical Association and a national Swedish healthcare resource would both give the same advice as Trump et al????
Your suspect source claims, "But this is also in error!" yet what he goes on to describe isn't an error, its an observational difference. So his characterization of "ducks in a row" is itself "shoddy".
More shoddiness: "But the 59.2% estimate is self-reported...and the number refers to usage between conception and enrollment, not just during pregnancy."
So, he's misleading with "self-reported" because it was actually taken from urine samples AND they measured during pregnancy.
I suppose every study finding a significant association is suspect/shoddy, huh? They have to be, because, you know, tRump!
You've got a huge task ahead since 27 studies found the same thing. Get out your torches and pitch forks for all those scientists!!! They're all in cahoots with RFK!!! They must have all been paid a tiny pittance to be an expert witness compared to billions and billions pharma makes every single year!!!
Fact: there are a LOT of studies demonstrating this association. Not 1, not 1 author. There's a signal. But because Trump repeated their results you TDSers got pregnant women to go on their Tik Toks gulping down Tylenol to spite Trump. All those scientists and medical associations are smacking their heads.
That is literally the bottom line of Baccarelli et al and you are on the side disagreeing with it. Pregnant women should down Tylenol like tick-tacks, for the longest duration and without medical guidance. That's YOUR side's advice. TDS is currently the most harmful and dangerous threat to public health since the Plague.
27 studies did not find the same thing. The vast majority of studies are very low power and poorly designed to answer this question. This is like when people thought 20 terrible studies from Iran and Egypt all showed HCQ worked with COVID. Run a meta analysis and OMG HCQ is a miracle drug.
then someone runs a real trial and it doesn’t do anything. Who could have guessed.
One good study >> 20 bad studies.
Of course we have our good studies but Baccarelli knows the gravy train will end if he acknowledges it so he goes to fraudulent lengths to discount it.
We also have sibling control data from an earlier study that, surprise, also shows a null result:
Both the exposed and the unexposed children of mothers with long-term use of acetaminophen in one of the pregnancies had increased risk of receiving an ADHD diagnosis. This indicates that the observed association between long...
Good to know that we only trust woke colleges when they support the regime's narrative.
And anyway if you read the study it clearly says that if you follow medical guidelines the chance of neural disorders are not affected. It can basically be explained as "if you don't need it don't take it."
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