Does anyone know how many coaches this kids family have gone through over the last few years? Didnt his brother run for Andy Powell? Then transferred away from Oregon to turn pro ?
Lagat had a true positive which was negated by polititcal machinations and falsified B sample ‘results’. All to protect another ‘poor African’ who didn’t know any better.
The stats and the drop, these are all things to consider. Honestly didn't know much about him before posting this..but as a track and field fan and athlete for over 25 years, I'm signing on to raise a flag on something I think ya'll are missing: Hoey's post-race interview (with Lewis). I have *never* seen an American T+F more nonplussed, more non-emotive after snatching an AR record after being lightyears away from it just a year ago.. . This kid should've acted like he just won the lottery... "I'm not surprised given the training." ??? ... What? You just get on an American Record... Instead... I see fear written all over his face. Like his soul is out to lunch or something. I dk..Something is very off and I hope he is okay...
Hoey has alluded to some anxiety struggles in the past, I remember him mentioning in an interview that he has gone through several different therapists over the past couple years. Body language is pretty easy to misinterpret.
The stats and the drop, these are all things to consider. Honestly didn't know much about him before posting this..but as a track and field fan and athlete for over 25 years, I'm signing on to raise a flag on something I think ya'll are missing: Hoey's post-race interview (with Lewis). I have *never* seen an American T+F more nonplussed, more non-emotive after snatching an AR record after being lightyears away from it just a year ago.. . This kid should've acted like he just won the lottery... "I'm not surprised given the training." ??? ... What? You just get on an American Record... Instead... I see fear written all over his face. Like his soul is out to lunch or something. I dk..Something is very off and I hope he is okay...
Hoey has alluded to some anxiety struggles in the past, I remember him mentioning in an interview that he has gone through several different therapists over the past couple years. Body language is pretty easy to misinterpret.
These days, every person under the age of 30 claims anxiety for easy sympathy and a ready-made personal narrative. It’s a vague, hard-to-disprove struggle that only gains credibility if anyone questions it— how many have built entire brands around “overcoming” an issue they never had to prove in the first place? I swear only 1 in 10 people to claim to have anxiety issues actually have them. The rest are sympathy baiting.
Sounds like he became a professional athlete at 18 and was surprised being a professional athlete comes with high expectations and has interpreted routine pressure as anxiety. Probably using it to deflect or excuse away his sudden change in performance and build a wall against criticism.
Hoey has alluded to some anxiety struggles in the past, I remember him mentioning in an interview that he has gone through several different therapists over the past couple years. Body language is pretty easy to misinterpret.
These days, every person under the age of 30 claims anxiety for easy sympathy and a ready-made personal narrative. It’s a vague, hard-to-disprove struggle that only gains credibility if anyone questions it— how many have built entire brands around “overcoming” an issue they never had to prove in the first place? I swear only 1 in 10 people to claim to have anxiety issues actually have them. The rest are sympathy baiting.
Sounds like he became a professional athlete at 18 and was surprised being a professional athlete comes with high expectations and has interpreted routine pressure as anxiety. Probably using it to deflect or excuse away his sudden change in performance and build a wall against criticism.
I think the interview was last year after the Olympic trials, so before the breakout got really crazy. It is a bit less likely he was making excuses for his performance that early on.
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Note that the applicable rules in 1999 were the UCI "ADR", predating WADA. In those UCI rules, "Intent" was not a factor that had to be proven or disproven, and there was no presumption of intent leading to a longer ban, if not rebutted. The cortico-steroids were permitted for topical use for saddlesores, but in that case they should have been listed on the doping control forms before the stages took place. At the very least, the UCI should have launched disciplinary procedures against Lance, regardless of the backdated prescription, according to the UCI's CIRC Commission Report. In any case, Lance confessed that he used cortico-steroids for performance enhancement, and not therapeutic use for saddlesores, resolving any question and confirming the CIRC findings.
The "retro tests" were part of legitimate EPO research, and not "Roids". Any "false pretense" was the investigative subterfuge employed to be able to match the sample numbers to Lance. But Armstrong had dared the reporters to come up with proof of his doping, and L'Equipe took up the challenge.
Actually, they asked if they could look to see if he had any TUEs, then they cross-referenced the retro epo tests.
LA was never banned from competition as a result of a positive test.
Lagat had a true positive which was negated by polititcal machinations and falsified B sample ‘results’. All to protect another ‘poor African’ who didn’t know any better.
Notwithstanding the view of "Gone r the days", according to the full report after the Sample B analysis, "All experts present agreed that the urine of Mr. Bernard Lagat did not contain any recombinant erythropoietin (rhEpo) and he therefore had not committed Epo-doping."
Actually, they asked if they could look to see if he had any TUEs, then they cross-referenced the retro epo tests.
LA was never banned from competition as a result of a positive test.
Yes -- it looks like there was coordinated subterfuge. The UCI CIRC Commissioned Report was quite clear that the UCI violated its own rules by not launching Disciplinary investigation back in July 1999. In those days, the UCI was more concerned with the health of the riders (effectively turning a blind eye to "healthy" performance enhancement), and the reputation of the sport, after the Festina scandal.
Yes -- "LA was never banned from competition as a result of a positive test." If everyone said that, I would not bother to jump in with a correction. Instead, most people still tend to propogate the myth that Lance Armstrong started that "he never tested positive", despite the historical record of ten positive tests.
Actually, they asked if they could look to see if he had any TUEs, then they cross-referenced the retro epo tests.
LA was never banned from competition as a result of a positive test.
Yes -- it looks like there was coordinated subterfuge. The UCI CIRC Commissioned Report was quite clear that the UCI violated its own rules by not launching Disciplinary investigation back in July 1999. In those days, the UCI was more concerned with the health of the riders (effectively turning a blind eye to "healthy" performance enhancement), and the reputation of the sport, after the Festina scandal.
Yes -- "LA was never banned from competition as a result of a positive test." If everyone said that, I would not bother to jump in with a correction. Instead, most people still tend to propogate the myth that Lance Armstrong started that "he never tested positive", despite the historical record of ten positive tests.
Failing tests means nothing - as you show in your countless posts on Houlihan's conviction. Despite her confirmed testing positive and CAS deciding she committed an ADRV you are still unable to draw any "conclusions" from it.
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Failing tests means nothing - as you show in your countless posts on Houlihan's conviction. Despite her confirmed testing positive and CAS deciding she committed an ADRV you are still unable to draw any "conclusions" from it.
At the very least, what a failed test means is that it is plainly false to claim he never failed a test -- which was the only point from beginning to end.
You keep making the mistake that comparing apples with oranges can be meaningful in any way. I determine each case on a case-by-case basis based on the strength of the specific and concrete evidence for each claim in each specific case. As compelling as "what about Lance" may be to the most gullible, to me it doesn't make any sense to implicate one athlete based on the facts of another.
Here it was the UCI itself who determined that they should have investigated further at the time, to determine if this failed test constituted an ADRV, rather than accepting an obviously fake and backdated prescription of something not declared on the doping control form.
Does anyone know how many coaches this kids family have gone through over the last few years? Didnt his brother run for Andy Powell? Then transferred away from Oregon to turn pro ?
At least as far as coming up, they went to three different high schools: Malvern Prep, Downingtown West, and Bishop Shanahan. Mom worked her way into coaching positions at at least two of them, and stayed at Shanahan for a few years after the youngest graduated, I think.
Jaxson, his older brother, ran at Penn State for a year. Then he transferred to Oregon and ran indoor, but left when Josh graduated HS/went pro and they were down in San Diego. Not sure how many coaches they've gone through since, but I'd be curious as well.
Lagat had a true positive which was negated by polititcal machinations and falsified B sample ‘results’. All to protect another ‘poor African’ who didn’t know any better.
Notwithstanding the view of "Gone r the days", according to the full report after the Sample B analysis, "All experts present agreed that the urine of Mr. Bernard Lagat did not contain any recombinant erythropoietin (rhEpo) and he therefore had not committed Epo-doping."
You quote a falsified report - and you know it. Lagat is one of the dirtiest and obvious cheats in track history.
Notwithstanding the view of "Gone r the days", according to the full report after the Sample B analysis, "All experts present agreed that the urine of Mr. Bernard Lagat did not contain any recombinant erythropoietin (rhEpo) and he therefore had not committed Epo-doping."
You quote a falsified report - and you know it. Lagat is one of the dirtiest and obvious cheats in track history.