Isn't a sanctioned meet hosted by ighsau and ihsaa member schools with exception of Drake Relays for obvious reasons?
Not sure what you mean?
To an earlier poster....the last I heard there were over 300 public and parochial schools in Iowa that are member schools to the girls union and the boys association both of which fall under the Iowa Board of Education umbrella as the governing bodies for school athletic. They decide the rules for their member schools and are clearly published. Interpretations of those rules have been a problem for some especially those that are attending a member school and want to bend the rules for their individual situations. Students that attend member schools must abide by their rules. Member schools that host competitions must abide by their rules. Many of the rules are formed to protect the integrity of sports for their members who are children of tax paying citizens of the state. The association and union agree that Drake Relays is a part of Iowa culture and have made an exception for Iowa students to participate in the meet. Other exceptions about out of state competitions have been made with modifications to the rules to lrotect the athletes and their member schools. Other states have their own rules, some similar, some different. Many people these days shop around and relocate to take advantage for the benefit of their child. Iowa tries to protect Iowa kids. Im ok with that.
Drake is an exception to what? Iowa teams compete in other states. Surrounding states count for qualifying for Drake relays. But going further does not count.
To an earlier poster....the last I heard there were over 300 public and parochial schools in Iowa that are member schools to the girls union and the boys association both of which fall under the Iowa Board of Education umbrella as the governing bodies for school athletic. They decide the rules for their member schools and are clearly published. Interpretations of those rules have been a problem for some especially those that are attending a member school and want to bend the rules for their individual situations. Students that attend member schools must abide by their rules. Member schools that host competitions must abide by their rules. Many of the rules are formed to protect the integrity of sports for their members who are children of tax paying citizens of the state. The association and union agree that Drake Relays is a part of Iowa culture and have made an exception for Iowa students to participate in the meet. Other exceptions about out of state competitions have been made with modifications to the rules to lrotect the athletes and their member schools. Other states have their own rules, some similar, some different. Many people these days shop around and relocate to take advantage for the benefit of their child. Iowa tries to protect Iowa kids. Im ok with that.
your opinion and I respect that, but kids in all most all other states get to race big events and Iowa kids are held back from such races. We have enough top caliber kids in Iowa now the rules need to change or more and more will give up senior eligibility. Then you will be missing some of the top kids. And a kid not being able to run say Arcadia is Iowa protecting our kids? From what?
Not defensive, pointing out what’s good for one should be good for all, not making a post saying someone is making mistakes in his training when He’s obviously doing what he wants. My opion is 10k training seems to be working in 3200 as well, cause if you watched Ames meet in person or live stream as I did, he got out and was on 9:00-9:04 from gun and easily was sub 9 already if occasion presented itsself. And I assume by 10k training he just hasn’t incorporated and 400’s, 800’s for speed yet and in next couple races probably can drop a 4:15 on said 10k work. really if your not going after fast 800/1600 indoors there’s no reason for speed yet, it’s early.
Sometimes people have opinions based on experiences of coaching athletes for a long time. Statistically, many overtrained teenagers struggle with continued improvement/development beyond hs in several areas for a variety of reasons. Maybe young Merrick is special and different than most, we shall see in time. Harding states his concerns based on experience and expresses his hopes for the athlete based on traditional pathways to success. You can take this as hes picking on an individual or that he would wish the same for all without calling out every individual he may or may not know anything about. Its up to you. Just focus on the message and dont take it personal. Its not about you.
Merrick has made progression in xc every year and soon looks to make another jump in 3200, seems like not a bad thing. According to strava he’s at 56 or so miles a week, again not some huge amount for a top junior and really not a huge amount for 10k.
Not defensive, pointing out what’s good for one should be good for all, not making a post saying someone is making mistakes in his training when He’s obviously doing what he wants. My opion is 10k training seems to be working in 3200 as well, cause if you watched Ames meet in person or live stream as I did, he got out and was on 9:00-9:04 from gun and easily was sub 9 already if occasion presented itsself. And I assume by 10k training he just hasn’t incorporated and 400’s, 800’s for speed yet and in next couple races probably can drop a 4:15 on said 10k work. really if your not going after fast 800/1600 indoors there’s no reason for speed yet, it’s early.
Sometimes people have opinions based on experiences of coaching athletes for a long time. Statistically, many overtrained teenagers struggle with continued improvement/development beyond hs in several areas for a variety of reasons. Maybe young Merrick is special and different than most, we shall see in time. Harding states his concerns based on experience and expresses his hopes for the athlete based on traditional pathways to success. You can take this as hes picking on an individual or that he would wish the same for all without calling out every individual he may or may not know anything about. It’s up to you. Just focus on the message and dont take it personal. It’s not about you.
Did not know he coached or had any first hand experience, changes my thoughts just a little, where was he a coach? And what’s his first hand experience? There’s multiple pathways to success not just one as some think. I don’t see one kid in Iowa overtrained right now, my experience is 50-70 miles as a junior is about the norm now.
The only rule for arcadia is to run for your school. Seems okay for an Iowa kid but it counts against team meet total.
Not way I understand it, have to run for your school yes, but in Iowa if you go to Arcadia your out of your school season. And Arcadia was just one example. Pretty local 5k like helmers did should not make you ineligible for your state season. She gained no unfair advantage by running a 5k. Unfortunately seems she had to chose getting more ready for Nebraska over her season here. I totally get her decision, and hope she’s a player her freshman year.
Out of season? What does that mean? Schools compete in Minnesota and.South Dakota and Illinois during the season and the marks count for drake qualifying.
To an earlier poster....the last I heard there were over 300 public and parochial schools in Iowa that are member schools to the girls union and the boys association both of which fall under the Iowa Board of Education umbrella as the governing bodies for school athletic. They decide the rules for their member schools and are clearly published. Interpretations of those rules have been a problem for some especially those that are attending a member school and want to bend the rules for their individual situations. Students that attend member schools must abide by their rules. Member schools that host competitions must abide by their rules. Many of the rules are formed to protect the integrity of sports for their members who are children of tax paying citizens of the state. The association and union agree that Drake Relays is a part of Iowa culture and have made an exception for Iowa students to participate in the meet. Other exceptions about out of state competitions have been made with modifications to the rules to lrotect the athletes and their member schools. Other states have their own rules, some similar, some different. Many people these days shop around and relocate to take advantage for the benefit of their child. Iowa tries to protect Iowa kids. Im ok with that.
your opinion and I respect that, but kids in all most all other states get to race big events and Iowa kids are held back from such races. We have enough top caliber kids in Iowa now the rules need to change or more and more will give up senior eligibility. Then you will be missing some of the top kids. And a kid not being able to run say Arcadia is Iowa protecting our kids? From what?
Im just explaining the way they set it up years ago. Not necessarily agreeing with it or opposing it. I think its more of an archaic mindset thats a bit outdated. I agree that today, some kids need special opportunities to improve or reach personal goals and should be left to the family to decide when or where. I dont support using taxpayer funds for those pursuits. I also dont support recruiting wars to get outside the border talent to attend and take opportunities away from home grown tax payers. It happens more in other sports and they need stiffer regulation but all the BOE can enforce is transfer rules. They call it a bonafide move or there is a waiting period instead of immediate eligibility. This works both ways as well. Merrick and others want opportunities but want to rely on Iowa resources. They should just pay for everything non-sanctioned, and they do without penalty. But they also should still abide by their inseason BOE rules if they attend member schools or should either move or give up their eligibility which creates more opportunities for families who do abide by the rules.
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He probably will and I certainly hope so. I was only explaining what I understood about the concern of the other poster who also wants to see him succeed as he stated but is concerned about athletes who do a lot of intense competitions outside the regular season and the impacts of longer duration and intensities to prepare for such high profile contests. Probably concerned about physical, mental and emotional development in pursuit of what some deem as more important than the regular season. So, its a traditional idea vs the rising popularity of the exotic meets held elsewhere out of state and out of season that brings attention to oneself regardless of health risks.
So, what I interpret from your concern about non-sanctioned events in season, is that people should get to do whatever they want without regard to the rules set forth by the Iowa governing bodies. We dont always get to do what we want. Im just trying to explain why the rules are what they are and why they are.
Out of season? What does that mean? Schools compete in Minnesota and.South Dakota and Illinois during the season and the marks count for drake qualifying.
Those meets are Iowa sanctioned as many schools contract competitions in other states, especially those in close proximity to the border. Those meets have been approved. Pretty simple.
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Please provide the application form or the point of contact in order to get meets sanctioned. Schools go out of state and don't seek approval from some governing body. I asked some other coaches and nobody is aware of a sanctioning process.