What an irrelevant digression. No runner reaches the top on cross-training. They have to run. But you wouldn't know anything about success.
Nice of you to quote your post and admit it's an irrelevant digression.
No one is saying a runner doesn't need to run, Gulliver. You just show your ignorancw again.
Cross-training is used as a complement or an alternative when injured. See Valby, for example, or Rupp with the aqua jogging.
Your "ignorancw" is showing. Cross-training isn't "used as an alternative when injured"; some might do so but it is mainly used in sports to focus on development that isn't achieved by basic-training alone. Since you don't know this it shows you haven't done any and nor have you succeeded at anything. You're just another Letsrun bag of wind.
Not from you or your fellow intellectual Lilliputians.
Typical response from a narcissistic sociopath. You feel so superior, this picture really shows how you see yourself. But your ignorance has been exposed, again.
You're repeating yourself. You've posted this several times previously. Originality isn't one of your strong points. But it does show that cartoons are your true intellectual level.
Nice of you to quote your post and admit it's an irrelevant digression.
No one is saying a runner doesn't need to run, Gulliver. You just show your ignorancw again.
Cross-training is used as a complement or an alternative when injured. See Valby, for example, or Rupp with the aqua jogging.
Your "ignorancw" is showing. Cross-training isn't "used as an alternative when injured"; some might do so but it is mainly used in sports to focus on development that isn't achieved by basic-training alone. Since you don't know this it shows you haven't done any and nor have you succeeded at anything. You're just another Letsrun bag of wind.
Remember when you wrote "it anuses me"? Yeah. Be quiet.
I even mentioned Valby. She uses cross-training because of a recurring injury. I am an experienced athlete and coach. You are an expert at derailing threads with your ignorant posts.
Typical response from a narcissistic sociopath. You feel so superior, this picture really shows how you see yourself. But your ignorance has been exposed, again.
You're repeating yourself. You've posted this several times previously. Originality isn't one of your strong points. But it does show that cartoons are your true intellectual level.
Nice try, narcissist. You try to put others down to feed your ego and insecurities.
I repeat myself because you repeat yourself. Your posts are always the same, your childish insults are always the same.
In any case, calling yourself Gulliver and other posters Lilliputians is on the same intellectual level as a cartoon. Actually, it's below it, because my cartoon illustrates facts, your Gulliver and Lilliputians thing illustrates your delusion.
Your "ignorancw" is showing. Cross-training isn't "used as an alternative when injured"; some might do so but it is mainly used in sports to focus on development that isn't achieved by basic-training alone. Since you don't know this it shows you haven't done any and nor have you succeeded at anything. You're just another Letsrun bag of wind.
Remember when you wrote "it anuses me"? Yeah. Be quiet.
I even mentioned Valby. She uses cross-training because of a recurring injury. I am an experienced athlete and coach. You are an expert at derailing threads with your ignorant posts.
So Valby is the definition of cross-training? The "30mpw" runner. Your breadth of sporting experience is showing. Or perhaps not.
But all of this is a trivial tangent (you know - the thing Valby doesn't do well) from the thread subject, which is double-threshold training, and why a method that has been around for decades doesn't explain the constant improvements we see in performance. But I can understand why you don't want to go there. As a "coach" you're likely part of what has taken over today's sport, and certainly its denial.
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You're repeating yourself. You've posted this several times previously. Originality isn't one of your strong points. But it does show that cartoons are your true intellectual level.
Nice try, narcissist. You try to put others down to feed your ego and insecurities.
I repeat myself because you repeat yourself. Your posts are always the same, your childish insults are always the same.
In any case, calling yourself Gulliver and other posters Lilliputians is on the same intellectual level as a cartoon. Actually, it's below it, because my cartoon illustrates facts, your Gulliver and Lilliputians thing illustrates your delusion.
Gulliver comes from literature - the thing you wouldn't know much about, since you show that mere cartoons are your preferred mode of expression. I sense your ego injury - an injury which you should know is of course characteristic of the narcissist.
Nice try, narcissist. You try to put others down to feed your ego and insecurities.
I repeat myself because you repeat yourself. Your posts are always the same, your childish insults are always the same.
In any case, calling yourself Gulliver and other posters Lilliputians is on the same intellectual level as a cartoon. Actually, it's below it, because my cartoon illustrates facts, your Gulliver and Lilliputians thing illustrates your delusion.
Gulliver comes from literature - the thing you wouldn't know much about, since you show that mere cartoons are your preferred mode of expression. I sense your ego injury - an injury which you should know is of course characteristic of the narcissist.
Dude, you are digging your grave. As it stands now, no one who has read this thread's last few pages will ever take anything you say seriously again. It's that bad.
For the sake of stopping your own self-imolation, please drop it.
Not from you or your fellow intellectual Lilliputians.
Typical response from a narcissistic sociopath. You feel so superior, this picture really shows how you see yourself. But your ignorance has been exposed, again.
it’s hilarious that the OP was about ‘double threshold’ training and youre following it up with ‘who at the top is using treadmills extensively?’
you do understand half of the threshold workouts in these systems are typically done on the treadmill, right?
And to clarify, none of those athletes point to that part as ‘cross training’.
Throw it up in the Google: “cross-training: cross training is athletic training in sports OTHER than the athlete’s usual sport. it takes advantage of one training method to negate the shortcomings of another”
it’s hilarious that the OP was about ‘double threshold’ training and youre following it up with ‘who at the top is using treadmills extensively?’
you do understand half of the threshold workouts in these systems are typically done on the treadmill, right?
And to clarify, none of those athletes point to that part as ‘cross training’.
Throw it up in the Google: “cross-training: cross training is athletic training in sports OTHER than the athlete’s usual sport. it takes advantage of one training method to negate the shortcomings of another”
It doesn't matter what he thinks about training methodology, many roads lead to Rome. I think 'double threshold' is a fad too. It's not better than many other ways of training.
The only reason to oppose these drug obsessed nutjobs is to confront their projected drug fantasy.
Remember when you wrote "it anuses me"? Yeah. Be quiet.
I even mentioned Valby. She uses cross-training because of a recurring injury. I am an experienced athlete and coach. You are an expert at derailing threads with your ignorant posts.
So Valby is the definition of cross-training? The "30mpw" runner. Your breadth of sporting experience is showing. Or perhaps not.
But all of this is a trivial tangent (you know - the thing Valby doesn't do well) from the thread subject, which is double-threshold training, and why a method that has been around for decades doesn't explain the constant improvements we see in performance. But I can understand why you don't want to go there. As a "coach" you're likely part of what has taken over today's sport, and certainly its denial.
Mustve just listened “On Coaching” podcast, now youre an expert.
Show me the data and the mileage and the programs from these things that have ‘been around for decades’ or stop spouting it because its just conjecture.
All training has been around forever but show me where the system looked like what everyone has bought into today. high mileage, three days a week modulating threshold.
The way the program is laid out is new. The way people are focusing on controlling intensity is new.
And no lactate monitoring isnt new because i can hear that retort already, but the physiological levers this program has aimed to pull is certainly different in both approach, intensity and specificity. Bakken was pretty seminal in this regard but the new regime has certainly refined and codified many of his experiments
FFS the reductionism behind this gets a little old.
Might as well say ‘well people have always ran fast and ran slow in the same program therefore training hasnt progressed much since the time of Philippides’
22 THOUSAND messages on letsrun and doesn't know what cross training is. This is who we're arguing with ladies and gents. The absolute state of this of forum.
it’s hilarious that the OP was about ‘double threshold’ training and youre following it up with ‘who at the top is using treadmills extensively?’
you do understand half of the threshold workouts in these systems are typically done on the treadmill, right?
And to clarify, none of those athletes point to that part as ‘cross training’.
Throw it up in the Google: “cross-training: cross training is athletic training in sports OTHER than the athlete’s usual sport. it takes advantage of one training method to negate the shortcomings of another”
My guess is that he doesn't consider running on a treadmill as running?
it’s hilarious that the OP was about ‘double threshold’ training and youre following it up with ‘who at the top is using treadmills extensively?’
you do understand half of the threshold workouts in these systems are typically done on the treadmill, right?
And to clarify, none of those athletes point to that part as ‘cross training’.
Throw it up in the Google: “cross-training: cross training is athletic training in sports OTHER than the athlete’s usual sport. it takes advantage of one training method to negate the shortcomings of another”
My guess is that he doesn't consider running on a treadmill as running?
So what? How is that more important than his toxicity.
Come on guys, this poster is abusing the kids and all you care about is his opinions about training methodology.
Gulliver comes from literature - the thing you wouldn't know much about, since you show that mere cartoons are your preferred mode of expression. I sense your ego injury - an injury which you should know is of course characteristic of the narcissist.
Dude, you are digging your grave. As it stands now, no one who has read this thread's last few pages will ever take anything you say seriously again. It's that bad.
For the sake of stopping your own self-imolation, please drop it.
Since I can easily gauge the level here you will understand why your opprobrium means nothing. The assemblage is the dumbest that I will encounter in my day. You've just added to it.
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My guess is that he doesn't consider running on a treadmill as running?
So what? How is that more important than his toxicity.
Come on guys, this poster is abusing the kids and all you care about is his opinions about training methodology.
Well, it seems I've absolutely got you plodders by the b*lls. You are obsessed with what I say, you can't leave it alone, you can comment on nothing else. Pages of it. Yup - a Lilliputian horde.
But it is all deflection, since none of you can show that a long-established training method that has been around for decades and not doping has led to the dramatic increase in performances. Doping has been around for almost as long as double-threshold training and unlike such training it continues to modernize, calling on the very latest in modern science, pharmaceuticals and medicine. But that's the part of the sport you "experts" cannot or will not see.
it’s hilarious that the OP was about ‘double threshold’ training and youre following it up with ‘who at the top is using treadmills extensively?’
you do understand half of the threshold workouts in these systems are typically done on the treadmill, right?
And to clarify, none of those athletes point to that part as ‘cross training’.
Throw it up in the Google: “cross-training: cross training is athletic training in sports OTHER than the athlete’s usual sport. it takes advantage of one training method to negate the shortcomings of another”
My guess is that he doesn't consider running on a treadmill as running?
So many top Kenyans, Ethiopians and Moroccans on treadmills. And then I'm sure the top British runners of the past regularly used them - not to mention Schul, Shorter and those Americans today you think are top distance runners. Such a crucial part of the top distance runner diet. Forget the roads, cross-country and track - head for the treadmills. But what would any of you know about that - since none of you are top distance runners?
22 THOUSAND messages on letsrun and doesn't know what cross training is. This is who we're arguing with ladies and gents. The absolute state of this of forum.
22 thousand? You've been counting? I'm flattered. I wouldn't know yours from any other troglodyte here.
So Valby is the definition of cross-training? The "30mpw" runner. Your breadth of sporting experience is showing. Or perhaps not.
But all of this is a trivial tangent (you know - the thing Valby doesn't do well) from the thread subject, which is double-threshold training, and why a method that has been around for decades doesn't explain the constant improvements we see in performance. But I can understand why you don't want to go there. As a "coach" you're likely part of what has taken over today's sport, and certainly its denial.
Mustve just listened “On Coaching” podcast, now youre an expert.
Show me the data and the mileage and the programs from these things that have ‘been around for decades’ or stop spouting it because its just conjecture.
All training has been around forever but show me where the system looked like what everyone has bought into today. high mileage, three days a week modulating threshold.
The way the program is laid out is new. The way people are focusing on controlling intensity is new.
And no lactate monitoring isnt new because i can hear that retort already, but the physiological levers this program has aimed to pull is certainly different in both approach, intensity and specificity. Bakken was pretty seminal in this regard but the new regime has certainly refined and codified many of his experiments
FFS the reductionism behind this gets a little old.
Might as well say ‘well people have always ran fast and ran slow in the same program therefore training hasnt progressed much since the time of Philippides’
More waffle. Most runners would have no idea what you're talking about; they simply train in the usual way. It isn't rocket science or all those Kenyan record holders would be working for NASA. I can guarantee that you aren't.
My guess is that he doesn't consider running on a treadmill as running?
So many top Kenyans, Ethiopians and Moroccans on treadmills. And then I'm sure the top British runners of the past regularly used them - not to mention Schul, Shorter and those Americans today you think are top distance runners. Such a crucial part of the top distance runner diet. Forget the roads, cross-country and track - head for the treadmills. But what would any of you know about that - since none of you are top distance runners?
I don't think you really answered the question. Do you consider running on a treadmill as cross training or as running?
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