For those of you who are looking to buy an EV, I would stay away from Tesla. I know that that are what a lot of people think about when talking EVs, but you can get a much higher quality EV for a lot less. Ford, Chevy and VW make much better cars for less money than Tesla. I have a Mach-e and it blows any Tesla away.
If you are considering an EV, make sure you drive something else first instead just settling on a Tesla. You’ll be glad you did.
I agree that you should try the others and compare.
Please quit saying 90% of cars sold will have a plug by 2030. 1/3 of Americans live in apartments. There is no place for EV charging stations in existing apartments. NYC has like 6 million cars. There is no place for charging stations. Please quit with the ridiculous claim.
Even in the unlikely event that 90% of them have plugs it doesn't mean they'll have buyers. You're right. I think about the neighborhood I once lived in in Boston where most dwellings were apartments with anywhere from four to, say thirty (maybe more) units and anywhere from four to thirty adults who owned cars living in them. Very few of those buildings have their own parking lots where you could put charging stations. Almost everyone parked on the street. Do we really think that someone is going to put chargers at fifteen foot intervals on every one of those streets and do the same in every US city?
I have lived recently in a few high rises (in Houston) and in nice areas where space is at a premium. These high rises have maybe 400 units and the spaces in the garage are few and far between. To suggest that you can put charging stations for 600 vehicles to be charged each night is ludicrous. There is no space for cars! Let alone charging stations. 600 cars need how many charging stations each night? Will you have to schedule charging appointments where you charge your car from 3 Am to 3:20 am.? Come on Fat - enough!
Bros this is crazy. In 20 years I might have to be ponying up for an EV. I don't like that because I know how a gas engine works. If it is a piece of crap it will breakdown one day... But also it can last 100s of thousands of miles. That Prius I owned? Turned into a brick on me when its battery went. That was at 120ish thousand miles. And the range for this catastrophe is a mile wide; look no further than the Bolts replacing their battery with 5 figures on the odometer. Enjoy the process of replacing cells out of warranty or shipping a battery at thousands of dollars (like easily 6 to start for that Prius) across the country.
Or we can pretend that throwing the ICE vehicle I own, with its potential for an additional 60,000 miles and five years' service history and zero bull to keeping it running, into the landfill ASAP is good for anybody. Just so the IRS can cut me a check for a few thousand dollars.... Yeah, no.
Even in the unlikely event that 90% of them have plugs it doesn't mean they'll have buyers. You're right. I think about the neighborhood I once lived in in Boston where most dwellings were apartments with anywhere from four to, say thirty (maybe more) units and anywhere from four to thirty adults who owned cars living in them. Very few of those buildings have their own parking lots where you could put charging stations. Almost everyone parked on the street. Do we really think that someone is going to put chargers at fifteen foot intervals on every one of those streets and do the same in every US city?
There really isn't any technical barrier to putting in curbside charging stations for urban apartment dwellers. You see a lot of these currently in the Netherlands, for example, where EV adoption is higher than the US.
I'd love to own an EV, but I have too many concerns. Since I only buy used cars, I would be concerned about the cost of battery replacement. A Ford Mach-E has an 8 year or 100k battery warranty, but the powertrain warranty is only 5 years (60k miles). Right now, a replacement battery costs $23,000 + labor + any other parts not covered that need to be replaced + inflation. Those added costs could easily be several thousand dollars. I would hesitate to buy a used Mach-E 8 years from now when a battery replacement would cost more than the car is worth.
We have similar issues with ICE cars, specifically engine and transmission repair can cost more than the used car is worth, but we have a historical track record for ICE vehicles. We have no comparable data for specific models of EVs.
That's a funny article. It seems to argue that while EVs are not perfect, they are still better than all the other alternatives.
It's way too late to stop the EV revolution. This is happening.
By 2030, 90% of all new light duty vehicles in the US will have a plug.
Please quit saying 90% of cars sold will have a plug by 2030. 1/3 of Americans live in apartments. There is no place for EV charging stations in existing apartments. NYC has like 6 million cars. There is no place for charging stations. Please quit with the ridiculous claim.
Yes, there will be chargers on the street. Lots of streets already have them.
You don't need a charger at every parking space. But any parking space can accommodate a charger. And they aren't very expensive to install.
There is money to be made in EV charging. The free market will make sure there are plenty of chargers for everyone.
By 2030, 90% of all new light duty vehicles in the US will have a plug.
With a solidly conservative SCOTUS, the red states could win. But it won't matter. The Inflation Reduction Act has put the last nail in the coffin of gas cars.
By 2030, 90% of all new light duty vehicles in the US will have a plug.
Even in the unlikely event that 90% of them have plugs it doesn't mean they'll have buyers. You're right. I think about the neighborhood I once lived in in Boston where most dwellings were apartments with anywhere from four to, say thirty (maybe more) units and anywhere from four to thirty adults who owned cars living in them. Very few of those buildings have their own parking lots where you could put charging stations. Almost everyone parked on the street. Do we really think that someone is going to put chargers at fifteen foot intervals on every one of those streets and do the same in every US city?
I have lived recently in a few high rises (in Houston) and in nice areas where space is at a premium. These high rises have maybe 400 units and the spaces in the garage are few and far between. To suggest that you can put charging stations for 600 vehicles to be charged each night is ludicrous. There is no space for cars! Let alone charging stations. 600 cars need how many charging stations each night? Will you have to schedule charging appointments where you charge your car from 3 Am to 3:20 am.? Come on Fat - enough!
Any existing parking space can accommodate an EV charger.
You can install as many chargers as you need without requiring any additional space.
Most city residents will only need to charge every 3 or 4 days at most. They will charge over night when electricity usage for the building is otherwise at its lowest. Appointments will not be needed. Just plug in when you get home in the evening and unplug in the morning when you leave for work.
EV adoption isn't going to happen all in one year. So the building can add a few chargers each year for the next 15 years or so.
They can add usage fees to make up the cost if they wish. Over the long term, the building could make a nice profit. And the residents would come out ahead paying for electricity instead of gas.
I'd love to own an EV, but I have too many concerns. Since I only buy used cars, I would be concerned about the cost of battery replacement. A Ford Mach-E has an 8 year or 100k battery warranty, but the powertrain warranty is only 5 years (60k miles). Right now, a replacement battery costs $23,000 + labor + any other parts not covered that need to be replaced + inflation. Those added costs could easily be several thousand dollars. I would hesitate to buy a used Mach-E 8 years from now when a battery replacement would cost more than the car is worth.
We have similar issues with ICE cars, specifically engine and transmission repair can cost more than the used car is worth, but we have a historical track record for ICE vehicles. We have no comparable data for specific models of EVs.
I understand your concern about battery longevity and price, but that concern is being addressed quickly.
What we know about EVs so far from Tesla is that the battery tends to last 200,000 to 300,000 miles. But that's for an older generation model. Batteries have improved quickly.
It is believed that an LFP battery will last over 1 million miles. Currently the only car with that kind of battery in the US is the Tesla Model 3 Rear Wheel Drive. But other automakers are adopting LFP as well.
Battery factories are opening all over the place. I know of 8 EV battery factories off the top of my head that are in various stages of construction. This will bring down the cost dramatically.
Plus, the Inflation Reduction Act is giving huge tax incentives for battery cells made in the US. There is no doubt that EVs will cost less to make than gas cars in the next 3 to 4 years.
And replacement battery packs will have a similar cost to a new transmission.
so child labor is good now? that's how the cobalt for the cars is mined
Tesla has eliminated cobalt from over half its vehicles. And it is working hard to eliminate cobalt from even more of its fleet. The rest of the cobalt it uses does not come from child labor.
I would not buy a car from a company that uses cobalt sourced from child labor.
With a solidly conservative SCOTUS, the red states could win. But it won't matter. The Inflation Reduction Act has put the last nail in the coffin of gas cars.
By 2030, 90% of all new light duty vehicles in the US will have a plug.
Amazing how a bunch of attorney generals that spend 90% of their time yelling about state’s rights don’t believe a state has a right to regulate what’s sold in said state.
But the Mach-E would be my second choice after any Tesla.
If you drive a Mach-e, you’ll wish you had one. I have two friends who have Teslas and once they rode in my Mach-e and got to drive it, they ordered one and will sell their Teslas when they come in.
You can tell that one is made by software guys and one is made by car guys. It’s a huge difference between the two. I was very surprised at how much better the Mach-e is.
They don't NEED to ban gasoline cars. I don't know where you're getting this from. The people of California made a choice. That's their right as a state, so what. They don't NEED to legalize marijuana use, but the people voted to do so--so what. That's their right to do so.
The people in California who made this choice are on a state government board. The comparison with voting to legalize marijuana is way off the mark.
Yup, no voting involved. Thanks again for being the voice of reason HRE.
so child labor is good now? that's how the cobalt for the cars is mined
Tesla has eliminated cobalt from over half its vehicles. And it is working hard to eliminate cobalt from even more of its fleet. The rest of the cobalt it uses does not come from child labor.
I would not buy a car from a company that uses cobalt sourced from child labor.
Do you realize what you've been doing is talking to yourself, a.k.a. monologue?
That's my take. I drove nearly 600 miles yesterday in about nine and a half hours. I stopped for gas twice. Neither refueling took longer than five minutes. I want no part of a car where refueling takes 5-6 times longer. If they get that worked out, and the cost down, it a different ballgame.
Consumers could charge electric vehicle batteries up to 90 percent in ten minutes within five years, far surpassing the best superchargers in existence.
But the Mach-E would be my second choice after any Tesla.
If you drive a Mach-e, you’ll wish you had one. I have two friends who have Teslas and once they rode in my Mach-e and got to drive it, they ordered one and will sell their Teslas when they come in.
You can tell that one is made by software guys and one is made by car guys. It’s a huge difference between the two. I was very surprised at how much better the Mach-e is.
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