Babe probably couldn't bat .150 against modern pitchers, so yeah.
Oh man, here we go. So you think the most talented person 80 yrs ago would not have talent now? In any population at any time, there were very talented people. And back then everyone wanted to be great at baseball. Those people would still be at the top now but would obviously need to take advantage of training and diet etc... I just dont think talent is a new thing. The best runners of 1920 would be among the best now with modern techniques. Talent is talent.
Would Paavo Nurmi run faster if he had super shoes and didn't have to run on cinders? You bet he would. Would he run 12:30 and 25:59? Ehhhh.
Babe Ruth is the best player ever when players are compared to their competitors. But his performances are like a 14:20 5k compared to a 12:40 5k. He gets credit as an all-time great because of his era, but how he would do today is unknowable. IMHO it's inane and not even worth debate.
Oh man, here we go. So you think the most talented person 80 yrs ago would not have talent now? In any population at any time, there were very talented people. And back then everyone wanted to be great at baseball. Those people would still be at the top now but would obviously need to take advantage of training and diet etc... I just dont think talent is a new thing. The best runners of 1920 would be among the best now with modern techniques. Talent is talent.
Would Paavo Nurmi run faster if he had super shoes and didn't have to run on cinders? You bet he would. Would he run 12:30 and 25:59? Ehhhh.
Babe Ruth is the best player ever when players are compared to their competitors. But his performances are like a 14:20 5k compared to a 12:40 5k. He gets credit as an all-time great because of his era, but how he would do today is unknowable. IMHO it's inane and not even worth debate.
He hit the ball as far as any modern day ball player, home run derby hitters included. He was an outlier. I'm not saying he's the greatest but to suggest that he wouldn't do well in this era (as others have) is equally inane.
Flagpole is correct. What Ohtani has done so far in his career has been undeniably awesome, but it takes a lot more than 2.5 awesome years to make the Hall of Fame. There’s no guarantee that Ohtani can continue to have the level of success he’s having now. He’s already struggled with injuries, including needing Tommy John surgery. If a player struggles with injuries in his 20’s, there’s a good chance he’ll struggle with injuries in his 30’s.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
The Angels' Shohei Ohtani has a torn UCL in his right elbow and will not pitch again this season, while three-time MVP Mike Trout will return to the IL one day after being activated.
Flagpole is correct. What Ohtani has done so far in his career has been undeniably awesome, but it takes a lot more than 2.5 awesome years to make the Hall of Fame. There’s no guarantee that Ohtani can continue to have the level of success he’s having now. He’s already struggled with injuries, including needing Tommy John surgery. If a player struggles with injuries in his 20’s, there’s a good chance he’ll struggle with injuries in his 30’s.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
He had Tommy John surgery in 2018. He is out 2024 if he has it again. He is already 29. Who is going to pay $500 million with his injury history?
It will be fascinating to see what kind of contract he gets this offseason. I wonder if there will be similar negotiation issues to what happened the last offseason with Carlos Correa. If you were a GM, would you feel comfortable giving Ohtani a contract for longer than 5 years?
He had Tommy John surgery in 2018. He is out 2024 if he has it again. He is already 29. Who is going to pay $500 million with his injury history?
It will be fascinating to see what kind of contract he gets this offseason. I wonder if there will be similar negotiation issues to what happened the last offseason with Carlos Correa. If you were a GM, would you feel comfortable giving Ohtani a contract for longer than 5 years?
Before this injury he was probably getting a 10-year contract. Who knows now.
Flagpole is correct. What Ohtani has done so far in his career has been undeniably awesome, but it takes a lot more than 2.5 awesome years to make the Hall of Fame. There’s no guarantee that Ohtani can continue to have the level of success he’s having now. He’s already struggled with injuries, including needing Tommy John surgery. If a player struggles with injuries in his 20’s, there’s a good chance he’ll struggle with injuries in his 30’s.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
Injuries should ALWAYS be a concern for such a big guy. Can't pitch anymore this season now. His torrid HR pace has come back to a more realistic level. I want to see greatness as much or even more than the next guy, but you have to be realistic as well. He will be 30 next year. He MIGHT have 5 good seasons left before he falls off a cliff.
Right now he has 38 career wins as a pitcher and 171 career home runs. He has had just ONE 100 RBI season ever, and that season he had exactly 100 RBIs.
So far this year he's hitting .304, so that's good, but his career average is .274, and he has never batted .300 or above for a full season yet.
I'm not saying he's not a great player, but the hyperbole about him is way over the top.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
Injuries should ALWAYS be a concern for such a big guy. Can't pitch anymore this season now. His torrid HR pace has come back to a more realistic level. I want to see greatness as much or even more than the next guy, but you have to be realistic as well. He will be 30 next year. He MIGHT have 5 good seasons left before he falls off a cliff.
Right now he has 38 career wins as a pitcher and 171 career home runs. He has had just ONE 100 RBI season ever, and that season he had exactly 100 RBIs.
So far this year he's hitting .304, so that's good, but his career average is .274, and he has never batted .300 or above for a full season yet.
I'm not saying he's not a great player, but the hyperbole about him is way over the top.
Teams have figured they can get him out on low and inside breaking balls.
I mostly agree, but the angels have always been a trash franchise. It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I've seen a few jokes like "Ohtani pitches 7 innings of 1 run ball, hits 2 home runs...Angels lose 8-3".
He had 46 home runs yet only 100 RBI. That's the angels fault for being so bad.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
Injuries should ALWAYS be a concern for such a big guy. Can't pitch anymore this season now. His torrid HR pace has come back to a more realistic level. I want to see greatness as much or even more than the next guy, but you have to be realistic as well. He will be 30 next year. He MIGHT have 5 good seasons left before he falls off a cliff.
Right now he has 38 career wins as a pitcher and 171 career home runs. He has had just ONE 100 RBI season ever, and that season he had exactly 100 RBIs.
So far this year he's hitting .304, so that's good, but his career average is .274, and he has never batted .300 or above for a full season yet.
I'm not saying he's not a great player, but the hyperbole about him is way over the top.
Unfortunately injuries are now extremely common in the MLB. It's a very different game than it was from before 1990.
Flagpole is correct. What Ohtani has done so far in his career has been undeniably awesome, but it takes a lot more than 2.5 awesome years to make the Hall of Fame. There’s no guarantee that Ohtani can continue to have the level of success he’s having now. He’s already struggled with injuries, including needing Tommy John surgery. If a player struggles with injuries in his 20’s, there’s a good chance he’ll struggle with injuries in his 30’s.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
As I’ve been saying in this thread, Ohtani’s injury problems are a concern. After missing a start due to arm fatigue, Ohtani exited yesterday’s game in the second inning. It’s now been announced that he has a torn UCL in his right elbow and he won’t pitch again this year.
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I think that even the physical freaks (6'4 and taller, 250+ pounds) can't throw 100+ mph fastballs for too long without some injury. Look at Bautista: his fastball hit 103 mph and he's 6'8", 285 pounds and he seems to have severely damaged his UCL
Babe probably couldn't bat .150 against modern pitchers, so yeah.
Oh man, here we go. So you think the most talented person 80 yrs ago would not have talent now? In any population at any time, there were very talented people. And back then everyone wanted to be great at baseball. Those people would still be at the top now but would obviously need to take advantage of training and diet etc... I just dont think talent is a new thing. The best runners of 1920 would be among the best now with modern techniques. Talent is talent.
Oh man, here we go. So you think the most talented person 80 yrs ago would not have talent now? In any population at any time, there were very talented people. And back then everyone wanted to be great at baseball. Those people would still be at the top now but would obviously need to take advantage of training and diet etc... I just dont think talent is a new thing. The best runners of 1920 would be among the best now with modern techniques. Talent is talent.
Would Paavo Nurmi run faster if he had super shoes and didn't have to run on cinders? You bet he would. Would he run 12:30 and 25:59? Ehhhh.
Babe Ruth is the best player ever when players are compared to their competitors. But his performances are like a 14:20 5k compared to a 12:40 5k. He gets credit as an all-time great because of his era, but how he would do today is unknowable. IMHO it's inane and not even worth debate.
The man got paid, great business decision by The Dodgers.
Much of the money is deferred but he is coming off Tommy John surgery and also had Tommy John surgery in 2018. He is not pitching next year but 2 Tommy John surgeries in 5 years is very concerning. What happens if he is injured next year. The Dodgers are screwed.
The man got paid, great business decision by The Dodgers.
Much of the money is deferred but he is coming off Tommy John surgery and also had Tommy John surgery in 2018. He is not pitching next year but 2 Tommy John surgeries in 5 years is very concerning. What happens if he is injured next year. The Dodgers are screwed.
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