That's not what you have said Coevett/Charlie.
That's not what you have said Coevett/Charlie.
Coevett wrote:
Former Spanish 3000m record holder expresses doubt over Katir :
https://www.20minutos.es/deportes/noticia/4767435/0/polemico-comentario-isaac-viciosa-mo-katir-record-apellidos-castellanos/The young man has set the new mark at 7: 29.34, although Viciosa has made a series of comments about it that have not gone unnoticed. He did it in an interview for the portal 'Soy Corredor' :
"At the moment he is an athlete that I am putting in quarantine and I want to allow a few months for everything to pass, to certify those marks at the Olympic Games and confirm that he is completely clean . I think that with 50 years he can afford to be critical. And Another thing that may not be politically correct but I would like to say is that I would have liked an athlete with Castilian surnames to have beaten him , "he said.
ha ha ha
You work hard to find holes.
I read that article a hour ago and was sure you will grab it.
Coevett wrote:
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Viciosa has made a series of comments about it:
"but I would like to say is that I would have liked an athlete with Castilian surnames to have beaten him , "he said.
Here you go.
+1-1=0
no contest wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I see you have something in common with Thrice - but it isnt flattering. I haven't changed what you wrote. I indicated through alternative examples (which you also had previously presented) your reasoning has no sound basis to it. A serious discussion requires a serious point. You have failed to present one. Yet you duck mine, which is why would 3.36 to 3.28 in a year be clean but not the same rate of improvement from say 3.34 to 3.26 in either Katir or another athlete. No one who seriously follows the sport would buy it, yet the apologists for Katir - like you - remain in force here.
You have changed what I have written. You have said improving by 8 seconds is the same, regardless if starting at 3:36 or at 3:32. Complete nonsense. I have not defended Katir. Thrice was correct, as is to see in many threads.
I didn't change what you wrote. I pointed put that an 8 second improvement in a year is the same, whether it is from 3.36 or 3.34, but you can't follow an argument. As Thrice has nothing but infantile name-calling to his resume it would fit that you would agree with him.
Armstronglivs wrote:
no contest wrote:
You have changed what I have written. You have said improving by 8 seconds is the same, regardless if starting at 3:36 or at 3:32. Complete nonsense. I have not defended Katir. Thrice was correct, as is to see in many threads.
I didn't change what you wrote. I pointed put that an 8 second improvement in a year is the same, whether it is from 3.36 or 3.34, but you can't follow an argument. As Thrice has nothing but infantile name-calling to his resume it would fit that you would agree with him.
Thats what you have written: "Yet you duck mine, which is why would 3.36 to 3.28 in a year be clean but not the same rate of improvement from say 3.34 to 3.26 in either Katir or another athlete. No one who seriously follows the sport would buy it, yet the apologists for Katir - like you - remain in force here."
So you clearly have changed what I have written. I'm very sceptical about Katir's recent achievements and I have not written anything different.
The point which you are unable to accept (because of your narcisstic psychopathic personality): An 8 second improvement starting at 3:36 is not the same as an 8 second improvement starting at 3:32 (or 3:34 - 3:30 - 3:28). Nothing else was the point in question.
Number 35 wrote:
Semiler wrote:
Gjert just announced on Norwegian TV that Jakob is going to convert to the steeple.
Jakob has absolutely nothing to fear. Katir will either be busted, or he'll have to throttle down with the doping. This time next year he'll be running 3:33/13:20. Didn't you guys learn from Ramzi not to get overly excited too quickly?
Because Katir is so blatantly doping he will be busted within the next two years.
3:26 is an obvious sign of doping, improving by 8 secs in a year is another!
Subway Surfers wrote:
Number 35 wrote:
Jakob has absolutely nothing to fear. Katir will either be busted, or he'll have to throttle down with the doping. This time next year he'll be running 3:33/13:20. Didn't you guys learn from Ramzi not to get overly excited too quickly?
Because Katir is so blatantly doping he will be busted within the next two years.
I’m not so sure. Part of me thinks he will rip stupid fast times, medal in Tokyo, then stride off into the sunset having tainted the history books forever after this season.
An athlete has to be very sloppy to pop for substances in competition. We have zero reason to believe he has undergone OOC testing. Without ABP values over time it looks like he has a free pass for this season. It’s utterly disgusting. His camp knows what they’re doing for sure.
"The point which you are unable to accept (because of your narcisstic psychopathic personality): An 8 second improvement starting at 3:36 is not the same as an 8 second improvement starting at 3:32 (or 3:34 - 3:30 - 3:28). Nothing else was the point in question".[/quote]
Which part of 8 seconds improvement from 3.36 isn't the same as 8 seconds from 3.34? As a rate of improvement it is tantamount to being exactly the same - to anyone who can follow the hands of a watch. 8 seconds is 8 seconds last time I looked. But then being able to tell the time apparently goes hand in hand with being a "narcissistic psychopath". By that measure, there are an awful lot of us - even if you aren't one of them.
Subway Surfers wrote:
3:26 is an obvious sign of doping, improving by 8 secs in a year is another!
Unless you are a doping denier - of whom there are many here.
Subway Surfers wrote:
3:26 is an obvious sign of doping, improving by 8 secs in a year is another!
Also his manager being the former manager of Cacho, and who has gone on record as saying that doping penalties are too harsh and that a doper caught even four times should still be given another chance.
And his Spanish Moroccan background is a red flag. Maybe we shouldn't prejudge a Spanish Moroccan runner in itself, but when that runner improves 8 seconds in a year, then we,'ve seen it all before.
Another red flag is that, like Aouita, the fact that he has made such huge improvements in a range of events in such a short time. Before EPO came along, it used to be said for 1500m runners like Ovett moving up that 'distance kills speed'. Yet this guy can knock a minute off his 5000 time and become the Olympic favourite AND go from 3:36 to 3:28 in the 1500m.
Phil Ken Sebben wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Because Katir is so blatantly doping he will be busted within the next two years.
I’m not so sure. Part of me thinks he will rip stupid fast times, medal in Tokyo, then stride off into the sunset having tainted the history books forever after this season.
An athlete has to be very sloppy to pop for substances in competition. We have zero reason to believe he has undergone OOC testing. Without ABP values over time it looks like he has a free pass for this season. It’s utterly disgusting. His camp knows what they’re doing for sure.
This is the heart of the problem, journeymen on the fringes like Katir or Houlihan or some unknown in a secretive camp in a third world country can drug up and burst to the top in one season, medal and profit and essentially fade away once the testers finally arrive if they don't bust them first. World Athletics is stupid not to insist on initial passport values before they are eligible to compete at a higher level.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
3:26 is an obvious sign of doping, improving by 8 secs in a year is another!
Unless you are a doping denier - of whom there are many here.
The right place for it.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
3:26 is an obvious sign of doping, improving by 8 secs in a year is another!
Also his manager being the former manager of Cacho, and who has gone on record as saying that doping penalties are too harsh and that a doper caught even four times should still be given another chance.
And his Spanish Moroccan background is a red flag. Maybe we shouldn't prejudge a Spanish Moroccan runner in itself, but when that runner improves 8 seconds in a year, then we,'ve seen it all before.
Another red flag is that, like Aouita, the fact that he has made such huge improvements in a range of events in such a short time. Before EPO came along, it used to be said for 1500m runners like Ovett moving up that 'distance kills speed'. Yet this guy can knock a minute off his 5000 time and become the Olympic favourite AND go from 3:36 to 3:28 in the 1500m.
Katir's 3;28 is the most obvious give away (although the Monaco astrix should apply), looking back at the 12:50 he came from a long way back in that race. I was watching his recent 7:27 and then noticed that he was extremely inefficient, he has a lot of vertical oscillation and his arm carry uses a lot of additional energy. So it's not like his sudden improvement has come from form improvements.
https://i.ibb.co/gJJzZqM/E6-U9-LAAX0-AMbaox.jpgCharlie Chaplin wrote:
Ahizoune
https://lawm.sportschau.de/doha2019/lawmdoha1124_v-contentxl.jpg
The Moroccan Athletics Federation needs a smart guy like this one and it will be back to the top.
He is a Berkani like El Guerrouj.
(I have already told you about Berkani temperament)
Your Sebastian Coe is a "tarte aux pommes" compared to them.
https://fifacolonialism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/images-1.jpegCharlie Chaplin wrote:
Samuel Mahele Akili wrote:
You speak so much sense Passant. I agree with you
So do you agree with him that Ramzi won the double at the 2005 WC without drugs? That he improved 9 seconds, won an unbelievable double, and THEN took drugs?
Do you agree with him that it doesn't matter anyway because 'he wasn't the only one'?
Do you agree that Moroccans have a 'superior gene' for running?
Do you agree that 'the Jew' has too much power in the West' and that 'Hebrew is sacred' in the USA?
That's just some of the c''p he's posted in the brief time he's been here.
I mean I agree with what he said on katir I have no knowledge on what he has said previously
Samuel Mahele Akili wrote:
Charlie Chaplin wrote:
So do you agree with him that Ramzi won the double at the 2005 WC without drugs? That he improved 9 seconds, won an unbelievable double, and THEN took drugs?
Do you agree with him that it doesn't matter anyway because 'he wasn't the only one'?
Do you agree that Moroccans have a 'superior gene' for running?
Do you agree that 'the Jew' has too much power in the West' and that 'Hebrew is sacred' in the USA?
That's just some of the c''p he's posted in the brief time he's been here.
I mean I agree with what he said on katir I have no knowledge on what he has said previously
Passant is proud of his country I like that
Also passant mostly uses evidence to back his point while the likes of coevett spew junk with no evidence whatsoever
Armstronglivs wrote:
Which part of 8 seconds improvement from 3.36 isn't the same as 8 seconds from 3.34? As a rate of improvement it is tantamount to being exactly the same - to anyone who can follow the hands of a watch. 8 seconds is 8 seconds last time I looked.
If any more evidence was needed that this poster is completely ignorant when it comes to all things running/racing.
