Guilty.
But who cares. It makes the sport so much better.
Guilty.
But who cares. It makes the sport so much better.
Guilty guilty guilty. The timing is so coincidental to when Kate and Colleen left as well. Colleen and Shelby had beef too and so it is all so fishy to me. My gut says guilty and what I see is a program I admired defending someone, they’re losing all integrity and I don’t believe in their talent anymore.
If you were to ask me who I suspected was doping I’d 💯 say Shelby without a doubt. It’s funny how all this doping drama tends to revolve around Nike athletes. Team new balance from now on.
I think it was inadvertent ingestion of nandrolone. Based on the usage of the terms in this particular thread, I suppose that puts me in the "not guilty" camp, though I don't think much of the decision to eat pig organs from a food truck.
I was a bit shocked by Jerry's assertion that he had never heard of nandrolone before this, but I don't see that he gains much by that particular assertion of ignorance, so I'm reluctant to say that I don't believe it.
For decades, I've expressed my concerns about the validity of positive findings of nandrolone doping in a number of cases. In this case, I don't know much about the athlete (aside from general observations about her performances). I'm waiting for the actual findings and conclusions of the CAS panel, which I hope will provide detailed history of and rationales for the governing thresholds of nandrolone metabolites for positive findings. I'm also eager to see which laboratory was used, which experts testified in the case, and who was on the CAS panel.
NERunner0353 wrote:
Guilty.
Incredibly frustrated with how a lot of the bigger names in the running community are eating up some very well crafted talking points. This website fed into it. BTC/Nike is controlling the narrative. The average running fan is out there liking Shelby's IG post insisting that she had a bad burrito & is being treated unfairly. This isn't good for the sport. You can deflect these types of accusations pretty easily.
I agree except with the well-crafted narrative part. This is the same worn-out narrative every athlete uses. Her entire excuse was extremely unoriginal, we get the same hysterical woe is to me from every athlete that gets popped.
You have to give Lashawn Merritt credit. At least his Extenze excuse was original and made you stop and think, would he really admit to that?
Quilty. I have faith that the science is finally catching up.
Jimmy Alberione wrote:
She claimed part of her sudden improvement is her new diet. Seems the diet was burritos with a side of nandrolone.
when did she say that? what was her diet? follow her closely and have never heard anything like this.
The pitchforks and torches are out tonight. Let the lynching begin!
Innocent
NCRunning wrote:
Quilty. I have faith that the science is finally catching up.
Catching up? You seem to have no idea whatsoever just how long nandrolone has been around.
Or maybe you just meant she's very good at quilting.
HOW Many times has she been tested in the last 5 years NEGATATIVE.. You think she is that good at doping she NEVER POPPED Positive EVER?? Think about it.. NOT GUILTY..
TheyAreAllDirty wrote:
You're a PROFESSIONAL athlete! What in the hell are you doing eating something from a food truck in the first place? It's food...from the back of a truck!! Clearly not optimal fuel for a professional.
Now that's silly. Usain Bolt, the fastest human in the history of the species, lived on Chicken McNuggets fer cryin' out loud.
I also am starting to suspect Flanagan based on her response. Nike has such a shady history of doping. Is anyone really shocked?
Avocado's Number wrote:
For decades, I've expressed my concerns about the validity of positive findings of nandrolone doping in a number of cases. In this case, I don't know much about the athlete (aside from general observations about her performances). I'm waiting for the actual findings and conclusions of the CAS panel, which I hope will provide detailed history of and rationales for the governing thresholds of nandrolone metabolites for positive findings. I'm also eager to see which laboratory was used, which experts testified in the case, and who was on the CAS panel.
Can you name any previous cases? Interested in reading up on this.
I really want to believe she's clean but given the amount of shady people who got off on the 'tainted meat' excuse from the CAS... the fact that they hit her with 4 years is really, really suspicious.
Avocado's Number wrote:
I think it was inadvertent ingestion of nandrolone. Based on the usage of the terms in this particular thread, I suppose that puts me in the "not guilty" camp, though I don't think much of the decision to eat pig organs from a food truck.
I was a bit shocked by Jerry's assertion that he had never heard of nandrolone before this, but I don't see that he gains much by that particular assertion of ignorance, so I'm reluctant to say that I don't believe it.
For decades, I've expressed my concerns about the validity of positive findings of nandrolone doping in a number of cases. In this case, I don't know much about the athlete (aside from general observations about her performances). I'm waiting for the actual findings and conclusions of the CAS panel, which I hope will provide detailed history of and rationales for the governing thresholds of nandrolone metabolites for positive findings. I'm also eager to see which laboratory was used, which experts testified in the case, and who was on the CAS panel.
Thank you - you actually know what you are talking about on here. Please continue to enlighten us.
Also, IF Shelby was doping, wouldn't she use another substance better suited for her / cheating?
Guilty. Wondering who is next.
Doping is all about relationships management. Which hand to grease and with what and how often (money, exotic favors). Probably, a personnel change was missed during covid.
Loving this photo, It's the difference between doping and not doping.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQHqV9ngiUe/?utm_medium=copy_link
100% guilty of testing positive for a banned PED substance in her body.
100% guilty of willingly and knowingly allowing this substance to enter her body.
90% naïve, uninformed, and careless to believe as a professional athlete regularly being tested that it is safe to ingest
all foods or substances without risk.
SPNKY wrote:
I believe her completely. And my heart goes out to her. I can't imagine,. She's had years and years of clean tests and never missed one. This is horrendous.
Lance Armstrong never failed a test either
Q: How do two girls from Iowa become the two fastest non-African 5k women in world history (with the exception of convicted doper Liliya Shobukhova)?
A: Nandrolone
Harambe wrote:
Avocado's Number wrote:
For decades, I've expressed my concerns about the validity of positive findings of nandrolone doping in a number of cases. In this case, I don't know much about the athlete (aside from general observations about her performances). I'm waiting for the actual findings and conclusions of the CAS panel, which I hope will provide detailed history of and rationales for the governing thresholds of nandrolone metabolites for positive findings. I'm also eager to see which laboratory was used, which experts testified in the case, and who was on the CAS panel.
Can you name any previous cases? Interested in reading up on this.
I haven't kept up much with recent cases, and I'm not sure where to find a comprehensive list of nandrolone doping cases, but I did see that, within the last day, someone "bumped" a thread that I started under a different name ("oldguy" -- think how I feel about that name now) sixteen years ago on the subject. I was very surprised when I saw that the first response to my comment was Christiane Ayotte, the director of Canada's WADA-accredited lab and a prolific author and speaker on the subject. It led to a spirited discussion among posters who seemed quite familiar with questions about how to interpret nandrolone levels.