Phil, what is it like to repeatedly post here knowing that you’re despised by everyone?
Phil, what is it like to repeatedly post here knowing that you’re despised by everyone?
Thanks for the info re: Yokota.
One thing about really slow mileage is that you can do a ton of it; if you're jogging then it takes a really long time to get tired. One could theorize that keeping in the ranges prescribed by the likes of Daniels almost saves you from yourself. All speculation, of course.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
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Every pro runner will be injured at one point or another. That's what happens when you push the limits either in training or races.
Hunter said in a podcast why he got injured.
1) He increased mileage by himself (did more than what coach Schwartz prescribed him). This might have had to do with it, now he is only running singles and max 75-80 mpw.
2) During the 5k at trials, he started a big kick like a lap out. That's when he got the injury. He finished the race, qualified for Doha but he knew during that moment that this is something he will have to deal with for a long time. He didn't heal in time for Doha, and had to spend many months cross-training and recovering.
He is incredibly strong mentally, and a very tough racer, so you can imagine what force he will be able to produce at the end of a 5k when his body is already broken down. With bad form starting a powerful kick, no wonder he got injured there. The training might not have prepared him for that exact moment, but training to prepare for that is dangerous in itself (basically sprinting when highly fatigued).
Wait a minute.
Tinman’s training is designed to NOT push the limits. Why are they getting injured, not just Hunter but nearly all of Tinman Elite, if they don’t push the limits.
You say that training to prepare for a big kick at the end of a race is dangerous in itself. Isn’t this what Tinman has prescribed? Three tiers. CV reps, hills then fast strides at 800m pace. Hunter will rarely run faster than 800m pace at the end of a race. So, in the three tiered workout, he’s essentially training for a kick at the end of a race.
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As far as I know Niiya's coach Masato Yokota - who mainly coaches middle distance runners being a former 800m Olympian himself - isn't really known to produce a lot of injuries. Also she probably runs very low mileage compared to "stereotypical" japanese training programs.
Yokota also lived and trained in L.A. for a few years and speaks English fluently, so his knowledge base is broader than you might expect.
It is cool for me
Very interesting. I love how we have such a plethora of great resources to see the training of the world's best at present. Sweat Elite has also done a great job of bringing these kind of articles to light.
If you want to go deeper than "Tinman" and read the actual basis for critical velocity and similar training concepts, you have to go back to Veronique Billat, or even Joe Vigil as reference points. If you employ a system of work based around one's vV02 Max, you will find that designing sessions around 90% of that corresponding pace does give you a significant, but manageable stimulus for improvement. For faster runners, this will be approximately 10K race pace, or the storied Tinman critical velocity at 30min race pace. The "Tinman Tempo" is Billat's 80% of vV02 Max zone, the Italian "El Medio", the first ventilatory threshold, etc.
Nothing new here. My only critique of Coach Schwartz is that he didn't "discover" this intensity zone as many of his interviews lead one to believe. Rather, this is passed along in the manner of Joe Vigil's mile repeat seasonal progressions, Billat's interval system, Tim Noakes' pH Threshold training, etc.
It will be interesting to see the long-term progress of Tinman's athletes, as I do think the 90% zone is a new stimulus for many of his newer runners. The American college system generally emphasizes paces above or below this zone, so the question is asked- are these guys enjoying some dramatic improvement because of a particular zone's effectiveness, or is it simply being exposed to a new training stress?
If Coach Schwartz can alter his own philosophy to evolve with each athlete's natural development, then he is a coach well deserving of praise.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
What I wanted to say is not that Tinman invented something, but that the training of elite endurance athletes is often highly similar. Lots of moderate, good work, no hard taxing sessions and "keeping the ball rolling".
Then STFU, Tinpuff. You know, you're actually not that good.