Just intervals and tempo runs? Isn't that the Galloway plan? Run walk run intervals on the intermediate and long runs, and shortsteady runs during the week, alternating with cross training.
Just intervals and tempo runs? Isn't that the Galloway plan? Run walk run intervals on the intermediate and long runs, and shortsteady runs during the week, alternating with cross training.
I suspect if you post up your last 12 weeks of "do what you feel" running it will still fall roughly into some standard training plan anyway.
Yea, this is pretty much what I do. I really keep it simple and take it week by week, maybe even day by day. Usual week consists of a long run, tempo run, fartlek run, maybe a progression run instead of
the other workouts or mixed in with the long run, and easy runs. But there isn't really much of a plan besides never doing two hard days in a row and maybe one day off a week. Crazy thing is that I keep getting faster without trying that hard to get faster.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Yea, this is pretty much what I do. I really keep it simple and take it week by week, maybe even day by day. Usual week consists of a long run, tempo run, fartlek run, maybe a progression run instead of
the other workouts or mixed in with the long run, and easy runs. But there isn't really much of a plan besides never doing two hard days in a row and maybe one day off a week. Crazy thing is that I keep getting faster without trying that hard to get faster.
Good plan.
I just sprint for fun. Usually 2 hard days and sometimes 3 hard days per week. I don't follow any plans other than the ones I make up for myself. I'm never going to be a sprinter because I refuse to lower my bodyweight to even make an attempt to. And even if I did get down to an ideal weight the 100 of 179 lbs then I still wouldn't even come close to being a sprinter so i'm happy with doing my own thing and sticking around 220-227lbs and looking good and feeling good.
lololololol wrote:
YMMV wrote:
(Vegan fissured rectum trumpets yet another blast of methane past it's multiple hemmorhoids)
Lol what an idiot. I eat lots of meat and I agree with the poster you replied to.
A reply so stupid that it could only come from your decrepit brain, lardo. xD
It is symptomatic of vegan self-loathing that you feel compelled to jump into a positive thread to spew your vitriol about someone you know nothing about (the "lardo' being especially transparent in this regard lol). Have a nice day of garbage-carbage malnourishment my little friend. And don't forget to get in the last word-OCD is another compulsion of a pre-diabetic damaged brain.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Yea, this is pretty much what I do. I really keep it simple and take it week by week, maybe even day by day. Usual week consists of a long run, tempo run, fartlek run, maybe a progression run instead of
the other workouts or mixed in with the long run, and easy runs. But there isn't really much of a plan besides never doing two hard days in a row and maybe one day off a week. Crazy thing is that I keep getting faster without trying that hard to get faster.
Your probably not getting injured once a year like most super competitive runners do.
YMMV wrote:
lololololol wrote:
Lol what an idiot. I eat lots of meat and I agree with the poster you replied to.
A reply so stupid that it could only come from your decrepit brain, lardo. xD
It is symptomatic of vegan self-loathing that you feel compelled to jump into a positive thread to spew your vitriol about someone you know nothing about (the "lardo' being especially transparent in this regard lol). Have a nice day of garbage-carbage malnourishment my little friend. And don't forget to get in the last word-OCD is another compulsion of a pre-diabetic damaged brain.
It is symptomatic of your lardo, decrepit brain, thar you were unable to read the "I eat lots of meat" bit, lardo.
Isn't this basically what Ryan Hall did before running sub 2:05?
matt_london_413 wrote:
That always made more sense to me. A coach doesn't know what you're feeling. I never really believed in listening to coaches either.
Just do what you want to and when you want to. You're always going to be your own best coach. Good advice.
Like the "success" Hall had when he was being coached by God?
Went from 16:08 to 15:18 in one calendar year.
Programs/ coaches make over/under training very easy. The truth is, whoever made the plan does not know what state of exhaustion your body is in leading into each session. Learning how to gauge this yourself, and apply the correct stimulus each day helped transform me as a runner.
I did the same and I went from running 14:30's to 13:50's in a matter of weeks....
So you've decided to give up on being a competitive age group runner and join the hobby jogger crowd...absolutely fine, I'll drink a beer after the race and wait for you to finish.
lololololol wrote:
YMMV wrote:
It is symptomatic of vegan self-loathing that you feel compelled to jump into a positive thread to spew your vitriol about someone you know nothing about (the "lardo' being especially transparent in this regard lol). Have a nice day of garbage-carbage malnourishment my little friend. And don't forget to get in the last word-OCD is another compulsion of a pre-diabetic damaged brain.
It is symptomatic of your lardo, decrepit brain, thar you were unable to read the "I eat lots of meat" bit, lardo.
You know he's not Amstronglivs, right?
There is something wrong with you.
LRC Stud-finder wrote:
I did the same and I went from running 14:30's to 13:50's in a matter of weeks....
Did you also achieve $250,000 annual income and land a model wife?
HOOWIE wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Yea, this is pretty much what I do. I really keep it simple and take it week by week, maybe even day by day. Usual week consists of a long run, tempo run, fartlek run, maybe a progression run instead of
the other workouts or mixed in with the long run, and easy runs. But there isn't really much of a plan besides never doing two hard days in a row and maybe one day off a week. Crazy thing is that I keep getting faster without trying that hard to get faster.
Your probably not getting injured once a year like most super competitive runners do.
Actually, I've been dealing with injuries the last couple years after training too hard for consecutive months and not really taking a step back. This new plan is designed to still stay in decent shape while not going overboard. So it's sort of a plan but not a very structured plan.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Your probably not getting injured once a year like most super competitive runners do.
Actually, I've been dealing with injuries the last couple years after training too hard for consecutive months and not really taking a step back. This new plan is designed to still stay in decent shape while not going overboard. So it's sort of a plan but not a very structured plan.
I'll also add that I like doing some different stuff than just easy runs because it does improve my overall fitness and motivates me to get out the door for training and placing well in age groups at least.
The Crisco Kid wrote:
lololololol wrote:
It is symptomatic of your lardo, decrepit brain, thar you were unable to read the "I eat lots of meat" bit, lardo.
You know he's not Amstronglivs, right?
There is something wrong with you.
Or maybe you could see the pattern, that I dislike these two posters' habit of insulting people every single day.
You don't see me addressing other posters like this, do you?
What took you so long:)
Once you know you are not a elite (and you are out of HS/college), there's no reason to just do what you want. For some that may well be a structured program (of there own design, or someone else). For others, it might be run how to feel, and do what you want.
My last season in College I had a class conflict and could not work out with the team. I did my own workouts (mainly 10X200 twice a week and 6-10 mile runs according to feeling). I ran just fine (I was a 1500 runner). My guess is that I might have run a few seconds faster if I'd worked with the team, but who is to say. My time was the same as my Software year. I'd had an injury riddled Junior year. So I could have expected to be faster and a senior. More than that, though, I enjoyed that season more that others. I had lower expectations, and I just went out and ran a solid race each time. (And as a 3:50 1500 guy, I wasn't going any where after college even if I'd run 3:48...or 3:45 even.
In the end, you run for yourself (unless you are a pro or have a scholarship).
Lift, swim, hike, cycle, climb, and run when I feel like it.
Four weeks of effort and I can go under 20 in the 5K, at 55. I age-graded the fastest 5K I ever ran two or three years back, but that took away from the other stuff I do.
Life's what you make it.
Seems like most people have had a good deal of success doing their own thing, training based on feel. That's awesome, but did not work for me. When I did that, every run was too hard. Coming from a conventional sport background where "no pain, no gain" is the die-for creed, it took me too long to realize this does not equate to training for distance (races sure, but not training). Since getting a coach midway through my season last year, I've PRed in every race I've entered. It's helped a lot and I feel like I'm learning from the training plan daily. It's true that coaches don't have control of your body and don't know how you feel physically, which is why you have to tell them everything; if you tell them how you feel, then they know how you feel lol. It also took a ton of pressure off of me from trying to devise my own plan/schedule - now I just trust the process and crush, which has helped me with recovery immensely - when I'm done with a run, I'm done with it. I don't have to worry about how I set myself up for the next workout.
There is something to be said about finding the right coach, someone you trust and their philosophy fits your goals, etc. Also, money. If you have to choose between new kicks and paying a coach...