Your opinion doesn't matter when the studies done already show the Next % and 4% do matter. People who dispute the effectiveness of the shoes just ignore the evidence.
Your opinion doesn't matter when the studies done already show the Next % and 4% do matter. People who dispute the effectiveness of the shoes just ignore the evidence.
rossiam wrote:
Considering he remained unsponsored for the trials to wear Nikes that seems unlikely.
That (remaining unsponsored for the trials) probably increased his future contract by 3-4 times.
Let's Talk wrote:
Who the hell cares? What a superficial, trendy, mainstream question for teenage girls.....
This. What a nothing burger speculative and nosy topic.
Anyway, he can probably do better than a shoe company as they've all maxed their signings under their marketing budgets for this Olympic cycle.
darkstar wrote:
You have proven your idiocy.
If they make you even 0.5 seconds/mile faster, that is 13 seconds over the course of a marathon. Jake Riley finished 4 seconds ahead of 4th place Leonard Korir.
You can understand that math, right?
Umm....of course we can do math. But you are pulling those numbers out of your butt and pretending you know what you are talking about. Come at us with some real numbers, ones you can back up.
YetAnotherHobbyJogger wrote:
rossiam wrote:
Considering he remained unsponsored for the trials to wear Nikes that seems unlikely.
That (remaining unsponsored for the trials) probably increased his future contract by 3-4 times.
Definitely true, though if he had a sponsor for the trials he would have gotten a decent bonus for making the team
1970 the wrote:
darkstar wrote:
You have proven your idiocy.
If they make you even 0.5 seconds/mile faster, that is 13 seconds over the course of a marathon. Jake Riley finished 4 seconds ahead of 4th place Leonard Korir.
You can understand that math, right?
Umm....of course we can do math. But you are pulling those numbers out of your butt and pretending you know what you are talking about. Come at us with some real numbers, ones you can back up.
Just because we can't measure the exact impact the shoes had, doesn't mean they don't matter. It's possible he would make the team in another shoe, but I wouldn't bet on it (and neither did he). The shoes will definitely impact his sponsorship decision.
Hardloper wrote:
YetAnotherHobbyJogger wrote:
That (remaining unsponsored for the trials) probably increased his future contract by 3-4 times.
Definitely true, though if he had a sponsor for the trials he would have gotten a decent bonus for making the team
Probably but now, he will probably make the value of that bonus each year as a base (if not more) for a few years...
Hardloper wrote:
YetAnotherHobbyJogger wrote:
That (remaining unsponsored for the trials) probably increased his future contract by 3-4 times.
Definitely true, though if he had a sponsor for the trials he would have gotten a decent bonus for making the team
This all is true. It was smart NOT to sign since he made the team, although if he was 4th, 5th, etc. we would be saying he should have. He can get a righteous deal and go to the Games.
Anyway, is there any chance someone who has never worn a non-Nike shoe takes a deal from anyone else? This goes back to way before the VF. Most kids wear exclusively Nike. Most in NCAA too. Look at someone like Hasan. Has never even tried on asics. She wasn't shopping for offers from anyone else. Neither was Meb. UCLA had the swoosh, he was unfamiliar with any others and took the first offer they made him. This, according to one his autobiographies, done without an agent. 8 years ago, most of the sponsored masses wore Nike. They may have been some of the worst shoes around pre-spring, but everyone who ran high school track was familiar with the brand and it takes mental effort and willingness to be 'different' to switch. He takes whatever Beaverton offers him. Why anyone wonders is beyond me. This guy is Nike-loyal and has been for 15 years.
It will interesting to see what he does. With Nikes pogos he will have a shot a top 10 but without then he won’t crack top 20. Will likely depend on how much of an offer he gets and when.
PARRunner wrote:
Your opinion doesn't matter when the studies done already show the Next % and 4% do matter. People who dispute the effectiveness of the shoes just ignore the evidence.
The studies that were conducted by... Get ready for it... Nike?
So, let me get this straight. The company that sells the shoe for an incredible amount tells you they conducted scientific studies that prove it gives you a 4% time gain and you believe that without questioning it?
I have a bag of sand that will make you 10% faster. All you have to do is rub it on your legs before the race. I conducted several double blind scientific studies with placebos and the results were perfect. 10% gain for everyone who used the real sand. It only costs $300 per bag and a bag should last you 4-6 races depending on length of your legs. Come in get it everyone.
A risky option: He can play this with Nike, at least through this year.
Sign a secret deal with Nike to agree to say that he will not choose a shoe to wear/pick a sponsor before the Olympics because he still wants to keep his options open and choose the very best.
Continue the same "honest and innocent" story line. Build interest and suspense.
No offense, but this may be the only way he draws media attention up to the games.
He can and will run in all the new offerings from other companies.
Then, of course, he selects a Nike shoe to run in at the Games.
This is risky because his potential future value to a sponsor is likely as high as it will get now. He would want to get a more secure long term contract.
But most of that value is to Nike, and they may not to pay out. They should thank him for the free publicity.
His could play a similar secret deal with other companies. But why would they be interested?
He would have to do something even more special than 2nd place at the trials for it to be of value.
With any deal there would need to be huge bonuses for a PR or more at the Olympics .
Otherwise how does the story/his value continue?
Or he doesn’t get a deal at all how bout that
this and this wrote:
A risky option: He can play this with Nike, at least through this year.
Sign a secret deal with Nike to agree to say that he will not choose a shoe to wear/pick a sponsor before the Olympics because he still wants to keep his options open and choose the very best.
Continue the same "honest and innocent" story line. Build interest and suspense.
No offense, but this may be the only way he draws media attention up to the games.
He can and will run in all the new offerings from other companies.
Then, of course, he selects a Nike shoe to run in at the Games.
This is risky because his potential future value to a sponsor is likely as high as it will get now. He would want to get a more secure long term contract.
But most of that value is to Nike, and they may not to pay out. They should thank him for the free publicity.
His could play a similar secret deal with other companies. But why would they be interested?
He would have to do something even more special than 2nd place at the trials for it to be of value.
With any deal there would need to be huge bonuses for a PR or more at the Olympics .
Otherwise how does the story/his value continue?
Wow, you are so high!
I would assume he signs with a company that let's him keep his relationship with Troopy... doubt he leaves Boulder. Maybe New Balance?
Could his agent send out feelers to non athletic footwear/apparel companies for sponsorship?
I’ve always wondered why most track/field/running athletes are so dependent on the shoe companies. Is there anything in the rules that prevents any non athletic shoe/apparel companies from sponsoring athletes in the sport?
darkstar wrote:
You have proven your idiocy.
If they make you even 0.5 seconds/mile faster, that is 13 seconds over the course of a marathon. Jake Riley finished 4 seconds ahead of 4th place Leonard Korir.
You can understand that math, right?
Congrats on running the race, but you clearly aren’t racing at the level where marginal fractions really matter. They did for Jake. Kudos to him for having the stones to do what he thought was right. He deserves credit for his honesty and decision making.
Didn’t big Lenny have next% on as well? Does that screw the maths up?
team scores wrote:
https://twitter.com/dengaterade/status/1234873386947534855?s=20
Wasn't Sarah Sellers in Altra and she finished 11th?
most athletes should remain unsponsored by a shoe company because honestly there cannot be much money involved for an individual runner when the field is so deep. He should sign with a company from another industry. He's getting an engineering degree. So he should sign with an engineering company that would offer him a job when he graduates.
Altra