Ah, you appear to be one on those "you want everyone to run barefoot" responders. I'm happy to race in traditional racing flats, that way I know my times are my times and comparable to last year's and to other athletes.
I don't want to put in no additional effort or hard work but gain a PB two or three minutes up on my best simply because I put a pair of Nikes mechanical doping devices on. To me claiming that as a PB cheats my integrity and the sport.
We have your size in our store here in Colorado, Shoe and Brews. Give us a call.
Gibstar wrote:
I can certainly afford them, but for me running is about what I can do not mechanical aids. So *Pobrecito" you get a PB wearing these devices, do you genuinely believe you as an athlete have improved or did the shoes do it for you. If its the latter, then the PB is meaningless, you may as well sit on a bus and drive round the course and claim that as a PB.
Just because WA have given up on integrity in favour of Nike $, doesn't mean athletes give up on integrity.
Reasoning is flawed . Everyone on the PGA Tour switched to Metal woods , No one was interested to see how they could compete with "traditional " persimmon woods.
Law Institute wrote:
Gibstar wrote:
I can certainly afford them, but for me running is about what I can do not mechanical aids. So *Pobrecito" you get a PB wearing these devices, do you genuinely believe you as an athlete have improved or did the shoes do it for you. If its the latter, then the PB is meaningless, you may as well sit on a bus and drive round the course and claim that as a PB.
Just because WA have given up on integrity in favour of Nike $, doesn't mean athletes give up on integrity.
Reasoning is flawed . Everyone on the PGA Tour switched to Metal woods , No one was interested to see how they could compete with "traditional " persimmon woods.
I hope you are proud of your significant achievement in gaining a PB simply by putting on your new Nike shoes, your family will be so proud your hard work and dedication was rewarded.
If you run a huge personal best then you know it's not due to the shoes. It's been 3 years, you do realize that there are many athletes that have never raced on the roads with traditional flats right?
Gibstar wrote:
I hope you are proud of your significant achievement in gaining a PB simply by putting on your new Nike shoes, your family will be so proud your hard work and dedication was rewarded.
I'm proud of my Vaporfly PR. My family doesn't know the difference and are actually skeptical that a shoe helps you run faster (even though it does), so it's a win-win.
Running fast is not just about hard work, but also about being smart. I optimize every legal variable I can control - fast (legal) course, fast (legal) shoes, etc. I even use legal performance enhancers like acetaminophen and caffeine. Almost everyone around me is wearing Vaporflys too, so there's nothing immoral about it either.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
If you run a huge personal best then you know it's not due to the shoes. It's been 3 years, you do realize that there are many athletes that have never raced on the roads with traditional flats right?
There's no such thing as "traditional flats." There are flats with heavier foam, flats that were not responsive, flats that had carbon plates which weren't curved at an optimal angle.
Pretty soon these flats won't be manufactured anymore. Gibstar, you better stock up on them if you want to continue setting weighed down PRs.
Birkoboy wrote:
Keep looking,they pop up every few weeks.I have had no problem getting them,on my 5th pair now,just need to buy them as soon as they appear.
5th pair? How many miles are you getting from a pair?
Glendower wrote:
Literally every store is sold out of my size (9.5) In Vaporfly Next %s, you would think Nike would be working overtime to have these fully stocked everywhere. Anyone have any UK stockists or know when we can expect to have a steady supply of AlphaFlys in the UK?
Also if you think the prices are jacked up in the USA at $250 every store I've seen has them listed at £240 which converted is like $310
You want to pay out the nose to give business to a company which has had numerous human rights violations, just for the sake of a superficial mechanical advantage to make you feel like you're actually faster than you are?
Sounds reasonable.
The world is fughked.
Birkoboy wrote:
Keep looking,they pop up every few weeks.I have had no problem getting them,on my 5th pair now,just need to buy them as soon as they appear.
You're on your 5th pair? How does one go through 5 pairs of Vaporflys? Are you training in them? If so, what a waste of money.
Easy Peasy wrote:
Birkoboy wrote:
Keep looking,they pop up every few weeks.I have had no problem getting them,on my 5th pair now,just need to buy them as soon as they appear.
You're on your 5th pair? How does one go through 5 pairs of Vaporflys? Are you training in them? If so, what a waste of money.
5 pairs in 3 years isn't that many.
in_japan wrote:
You want to pay out the nose to give business to a company which has had numerous human rights violations, just for the sake of a superficial mechanical advantage to make you feel like you're actually faster than you are?
Sounds reasonable.
The world is fughked.
You expect people to wear crappier shoes because they're made by some other company that probably also takes advantage of cheap overseas labor to mass produce them? Yeah that makes sense.
Glendower wrote:[/
Also if you think the prices are jacked up in the USA at $250 every store I've seen has them listed at £240 which converted is like $310
Where I live in Canada, they are $370.
In Vancouver, the second largest city in Canada, they are almost impossible to find. I was told by the Nike store in Vancouver that they literally fly off the shelf.
Gibstar wrote:
I can certainly afford them, but for me running is about what I can do not mechanical aids. So *Pobrecito" you get a PB wearing these devices, do you genuinely believe you as an athlete have improved or did the shoes do it for you. If its the latter, then the PB is meaningless, you may as well sit on a bus and drive round the course and claim that as a PB.
Just because WA have given up on integrity in favour of Nike $, doesn't mean athletes give up on integrity.
What’s your barefoot mile pb?
The Next % should last a minimum of 180 miles (for an average sized runner) so that 5 pairs in 3 years number should drop. The first model broke down VERY quickly. Honestly I don't see the reasoning for wearing them often in training. Maybe a few big workouts a buildup and a race at the most. I don't really do huge difficult workouts myself but if I did I'd throw them on. The Next % came out last year so I'm assuming that poster trains in them fairly regularly. I also see a lot of really slow runners that wear them in training and it really rubs me the wrong way. It's not uncommon to see at least a couple of people trudging along at 9 minute pace and seriously huffing as well. What a waste.
I've been using VFs for races only but buying a new pair for each key race, so last year a Spring marathon and Autumn half... This means that I'm left with a pair that has 120 or so miles on them, so I use them for sessions rather than just throw away a pair of hardly worn shoes.
Canada Girl wrote:
Glendower wrote:[/
Also if you think the prices are jacked up in the USA at $250 every store I've seen has them listed at £240 which converted is like $310
Where I live in Canada, they are $370.
In Vancouver, the second largest city in Canada, they are almost impossible to find. I was told by the Nike store in Vancouver that they literally fly off the shelf.
Have they grown wings now
Update: There is stock available on the Nike App even though the shoes do not even appear on the website so if can't get a pair anywhere I'd reccomend installing the Nike:Shoes and Clothing app on your phone.
Get the Alphaflys the Vaporfly is so 2018.
pobrecito wrote:
Gibstar wrote:
I can certainly afford them, but for me running is about what I can do not mechanical aids. So *Pobrecito" you get a PB wearing these devices, do you genuinely believe you as an athlete have improved or did the shoes do it for you. If its the latter, then the PB is meaningless, you may as well sit on a bus and drive round the course and claim that as a PB.
Just because WA have given up on integrity in favour of Nike $, doesn't mean athletes give up on integrity.
What’s your barefoot mile pb?
4:08.23
What's your shod mile PB?