KIPxx wrote:
Does Bekele usually run a half for marathon prep?
No. What's shocking to me is to realize Bekele has a half marathon pb of 60:09. Tilastapaja - the race results website - actually only lists one career half marathon for Bekele in his career - the 2013 Great North run where he took down Haile G and Farah as described below.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/09/kenenisa-bekele-holds-off-mo-farah-in-one-of-the-most-thrilling-road-races-in-history-2013-bupa-great-north-run/UA Runner wrote:
Tron wrote:
I think Bekele will win but i think you're underrating Farah in this too. Bekele isn't going for a Half WR and Farah did that 59:07 in the fall so not like it will be easy to drop him. It may just come down to a sprint which could be either
Farah is unbeatable if it comes down to a kick in the last 800 meters. If Bekele goes out at a suicidal pace, I can see Farah struggling. He barely hung on to Jake Robertson at the GNR a few years back.. and when it came to the final kick, of course Farah won.
Unbeatable in the last 800? In the Great Northern race, Mo was in position with 200 to go and couldn't pass Bekele.
He couldn't pass because Bekele went early and Farah had to make up ground. As I said Bekele is smart he won't wait until 500 meters. He's obviously much fitter and more talented by far. He had a better kick than Farah and is only 1 year older. Farah nearly got caught by Cheptegei in the last WC 10k he was in and everyone knows Cheptegei does not have anything close to the wheels Bekele possessed. If it takes 58:4X or faster to win Bekele can do that for sure and I don't believe Farah can.
Mo has a great chance of winning. He always comes fully prepared while Bekele is too often full of excuses like food poisoning or injury.
Mo usually comes prepared for these UK races where they get guys that he can easily beat up on...but don't forget Edinburgh. And Chicago 2019. And 2019 London.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Mo usually comes prepared for these UK races where they get guys that he can easily beat up on...but don't forget Edinburgh. And Chicago 2019. And 2019 London.
Now let's compare that to the long list of races where Bekele dropped out, was injured, got food poisoning, was "40% fit," was overweight, etc
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
He couldn't pass because Bekele went early and Farah had to make up ground. As I said Bekele is smart he won't wait until 500 meters. He's obviously much fitter and more talented by far. He had a better kick than Farah and is only 1 year older. Farah nearly got caught by Cheptegei in the last WC 10k he was in and everyone knows Cheptegei does not have anything close to the wheels Bekele possessed. If it takes 58:4X or faster to win Bekele can do that for sure and I don't believe Farah can.
No, it came down to a kick with 200 meters to go and Bekele held him off. Bekele had to push to open a gap and Mo to close it. It was even steven with 200 to go and Bekele out kicked him.
Watch the video. Mo is far back with 400 to go when he starts winding up. The announcers call it out. Yes he pulled even but he was spent by then and could not hold it. He starts tying up with Bekele giggling as he crosses the line. Classic.
douglas burke wrote:
Hopefully with Wanders running RAK in Late February and Farah running this race against K. Bekele Europe can get 1 or even 2 Men under 59 Minutes in the Half Marathon.
The Farah race will be legal? Isn't the course assisted?
Remember, Farah's 59:07 does not count for records or official toplists.
Either way Mo loses. If he cross the line first it we be attributed to his alleged and as yet unproven doping. If he crosses the line anything other than first he will just be called a chump, as is de rigueur here. I have no special interest in defending Mo, but the hatred of him on this website has crossed into pathos.
Esterhazy wrote:
Either way Mo loses. If he cross the line first it we be attributed to his alleged and as yet unproven doping. If he crosses the line anything other than first he will just be called a chump, as is de rigueur here. I have no special interest in defending Mo, but the hatred of him on this website has crossed into pathos.
Did you pity Lance Armstrong as well ? Mo Farah doesn't deserve any respect !!!
Anyway, I am looking forward to see Bekele racing again. He seems focused to enter more races this year. After the half and London, he will probably target Berlin or the Olympics.
We should all be celebrating the Great One giftiing us more race even at an advanced age.
Abeneziel wrote:
Esterhazy wrote:
Either way Mo loses. If he cross the line first it we be attributed to his alleged and as yet unproven doping. If he crosses the line anything other than first he will just be called a chump, as is de rigueur here. I have no special interest in defending Mo, but the hatred of him on this website has crossed into pathos.
Did you pity Lance Armstrong as well ? Mo Farah doesn't deserve any respect !!!
Anyway, I am looking forward to see Bekele racing again. He seems focused to enter more races this year. After the half and London, he will probably target Berlin or the Olympics.
We should all be celebrating the Great One giftiing us more race even at an advanced age.
I did not like Lance Armstrong from the from the first time I read an interview with him, when he was still a junior athlete. This was long, long before he had cancer, before his "great come back". It was clear from the early days that Lance was a bully, a liar, a jerk. It was obvious he was doping to me when he won his first tour. So no, I do not pity Lance. I just don't happen to believe the case against Mo Farrah is as remotely straightforward as it was with Lance Armstrong. I also don't especially care for Mo, but I also don't think it is good for the sport to burn someone at the stake until all the evidence is in. Should the evidence have been collected with greater alacrity? Yes. Absolutely yes. But this is still quite different from the Lance Armstrong situation. I don't claim to know of Mo is a cheat. What baffles me is that so many people in track seem to be assured that he is. Why not ask the same questions about Bekele? Why not, for that matter, Geb and Tergat? It could well be that Mo is a cheat but I don't like this precedent of pillory before process. It's not a good precedent.
Esterhazy wrote:
Abeneziel wrote:
Did you pity Lance Armstrong as well ? Mo Farah doesn't deserve any respect !!!
Anyway, I am looking forward to see Bekele racing again. He seems focused to enter more races this year. After the half and London, he will probably target Berlin or the Olympics.
We should all be celebrating the Great One giftiing us more race even at an advanced age.
I did not like Lance Armstrong from the from the first time I read an interview with him, when he was still a junior athlete. This was long, long before he had cancer, before his "great come back". It was clear from the early days that Lance was a bully, a liar, a jerk. It was obvious he was doping to me when he won his first tour. So no, I do not pity Lance. I just don't happen to believe the case against Mo Farrah is as remotely straightforward as it was with Lance Armstrong. I also don't especially care for Mo, but I also don't think it is good for the sport to burn someone at the stake until all the evidence is in. Should the evidence have been collected with greater alacrity? Yes. Absolutely yes. But this is still quite different from the Lance Armstrong situation. I don't claim to know of Mo is a cheat. What baffles me is that so many people in track seem to be assured that he is. Why not ask the same questions about Bekele? Why not, for that matter, Geb and Tergat? It could well be that Mo is a cheat but I don't like this precedent of pillory before process. It's not a good precedent.
Mo Farah is a jerk the same way Armstrong was a jerk. And the case against Farah is as big , or even bigger, than the case of Armstrong.
Mo Farah was an average pro runner for all his career and suddenly, when he joins NOP at 28 years old, he become nearly unbeatable? Without to mention that Salazar is now banned for doping violations.
We have not seen transmutation of jobbers becoming great champions since Armstrond and Riis in cycling.
Bekele was great since his early 20 like most of the great champion. He did not turn into an all time great suddenly in such a suspicious timespan.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Mo usually comes prepared for these UK races where they get guys that he can easily beat up on...but don't forget Edinburgh. And Chicago 2019. And 2019 London.
I’m not sure any American on these boards is capable of forgetting the time that Mo Farah lost to Garrett MF Heath.
yup. mo was a full 3 seconds back with 400 to go. Probably close to 20 meters. it's just too much going against a guy like bekele
Abeneziel wrote:
Esterhazy wrote:
I did not like Lance Armstrong from the from the first time I read an interview with him, when he was still a junior athlete. This was long, long before he had cancer, before his "great come back". It was clear from the early days that Lance was a bully, a liar, a jerk. It was obvious he was doping to me when he won his first tour. So no, I do not pity Lance. I just don't happen to believe the case against Mo Farrah is as remotely straightforward as it was with Lance Armstrong. I also don't especially care for Mo, but I also don't think it is good for the sport to burn someone at the stake until all the evidence is in. Should the evidence have been collected with greater alacrity? Yes. Absolutely yes. But this is still quite different from the Lance Armstrong situation. I don't claim to know of Mo is a cheat. What baffles me is that so many people in track seem to be assured that he is. Why not ask the same questions about Bekele? Why not, for that matter, Geb and Tergat? It could well be that Mo is a cheat but I don't like this precedent of pillory before process. It's not a good precedent.
Mo Farah is a jerk the same way Armstrong was a jerk. And the case against Farah is as big , or even bigger, than the case of Armstrong.
Mo Farah was an average pro runner for all his career and suddenly, when he joins NOP at 28 years old, he become nearly unbeatable? Without to mention that Salazar is now banned for doping violations.
We have not seen transmutation of jobbers becoming great champions since Armstrond and Riis in cycling.
Bekele was great since his early 20 like most of the great champion. He did not turn into an all time great suddenly in such a suspicious timespan.
I doubt you really believe all the things you just wrote, or perhaps you don't know the extent of Lance Armstrong's perfidy and calumny. Has Mo ever threatened to harm people? I think you need to look into the history here and reexamine your conclusions. Perhaps you have missed a few important stages in the Armstrong case? Perhaps you need to examine your heart and your motives as well. I also don't think you have a very good understanding of track history and the athletes who have shined a bit later than the young stars. Mo could still turn out to be cheating, but there is such a thing as framing a guilty man, and it is not becoming of compassionate, intelligent individuals to participate in it. If I was not an atheist I would pray for you, but since I am not, I will merely move on, having made my small attempt at reason in an unreasonable world.
Hardloper wrote:
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Mo usually comes prepared for these UK races where they get guys that he can easily beat up on...but don't forget Edinburgh. And Chicago 2019. And 2019 London.
Now let's compare that to the long list of races where Bekele dropped out, was injured, got food poisoning, was "40% fit," was overweight, etc
... we are.
Injured, Thicc’kele smashed peak 10k-focused Farah at GNR in 2013. He’s also run 2:03:03 looking pretty doughy.
Saying “well Mo Farah is focused on the 10k now” doesn’t mean sh!t now just like it didn’t in 2013.
GOATee Skin’enisa ran 2:01:41 ~16 weeks ago. More than a kilometer ahead of Farah’s best ever, and almost 2 miles ahead of Farah’s most recent showing in Chicago. Which athlete is going to be stronger in March over the half marathon..?
Kenenisa doesn’t have to be 100% to beat Mo Farah on the roads.
Esterhazy wrote:
I did not like Lance Armstrong from the from the first time I read an interview with him, when he was still a junior athlete.
It was obvious he was doping to me when he won his first tour.
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I also don't think it is good for the sport to burn someone at the stake until all the evidence is in.
What baffles me is that so many people in track seem to be assured that he is.
It could well be that Mo is a cheat but I don't like this precedent of pillory before process.
You're contradicting yourself.
Is getting spanked a bad thing?
This board is hilarious in its vilification of Mo and its love and praise of Bekele - because Mo is 100% a cheat and the 12:37 in ‘04 is just good clean living.