El Keniano wrote:
Mo Farah is UK Athletics. He’s the reason they have jobs and and funding. Without him, athletics in the U.K. becomes recreational, just a tier above hopscotch.
And without distance running Kenya has absolutely zero sporting success.
And they're only good at that because they're all prepared to cheat as much as possible to be successful.
Every country has cheats. Some, like Kenya, it's more 'in the blood'.
Yeah this is pretty dodgy. UKAD should fully comply with WADA.
Nobody would accept if RUSADA refused to give WADA samples it wanted to investigate.
Someone please remind me how Mo Farah isn’t a protected doper?
British Are Dirty wrote:
Is anyone really surprised? This is the same UKAD that covered up the positive doping tests of Team Sky and Chris Froome and Bradley Wiggins.
Exactly. This is shameful and disgusting. If there was still any shred of doubt that Farah has achieved his standard by anything other than nefarious means, then this should dissolve that for you.
ex-runner wrote:
Yeah this is pretty dodgy. UKAD should fully comply with WADA.
Nobody would accept if RUSADA refused to give WADA samples it wanted to investigate.
Well stated. Quite a good comparison.
1000 wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2020/01/17/uk-anti-doping-insists-will-not-release-mo-farah-samples-wada/The chief executive of Ukad, Nicole Sapstead, said she would block the release of samples stored for future retesting unless there was “credible evidence” to suggest they contained banned substances.
Before the end of his tenure as Wada president, Sir Craig Reedie announced a probe into those athletes to have worked with Alberto Salazar, which he said would include finding “samples we can retest”.
Ukad refused a request to hand over those it held for Farah during the United States Anti-Doping Agency’s investigation into Salazar, who has lodged an appeal against the four-year ban he was handed in October for doping offences.
Asked whether Wada had the power to seize Farah’s samples, Sapstead replied: “My view is any sample that is collected by UK Anti-Doping is the possession of UK Anti-Doping.”
Why is there not more on this? This should be the nail into the coffin. As alluded to in this thread, releasing the samples would only be a good thing if there was confidence that Farah was clean. It sounds as if the golden boy might have to face some questions.
Why would the UKAD even deny this request, done by the world anti doping agency ?
It can only be a cover up.
You know what? Even if they change they minds and comply now, why would anyone trust the outcome?
El Keniano wrote:
You know what? Even if they change they minds and comply now, why would anyone trust the outcome?
+1
We need a whistleblower. Blow the lid off this horseśhit. It has gone on far too long.
trollism wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Mo Farah is UK Athletics. He’s the reason they have jobs and and funding. Without him, athletics in the U.K. becomes recreational, just a tier above hopscotch.
And without distance running Kenya has absolutely zero sporting success.
And they're only good at that because they're all prepared to cheat as much as possible to be successful.
Every country has cheats. Some, like Kenya, it's more 'in the blood'.
What are your PRs again, slow boy?
It looks shady af, but look at the reason they give - we're withholding the sample now specifically so we can test it in the future when the tests have got better at finding dodgy stuff. How does that factor in to the debate? Either they're stalling and hope Mo will be old news by the time this comes round again, or they believe what they say. In which case the answer's simple - take more samples to allow more tests.
import pandas as pd wrote:
It looks shady af, but look at the reason they give - we're withholding the sample now specifically so we can test it in the future when the tests have got better at finding dodgy stuff. How does that factor in to the debate? Either they're stalling and hope Mo will be old news by the time this comes round again, or they believe what they say. In which case the answer's simple - take more samples to allow more tests.
Delay tactics- nothing else. It seems to me that they have no intent of ever releasing the samples. ?
pretty much trump tactics. you are guilty af but refuse to turn over the evidence.
Askin what wrote:
Why would the UKAD even deny this request, done by the world anti doping agency ?
It can only be a cover up.
+1. Shouldn't they have the same goals as WADA? What could they possibly gain by withholding the samples other than to protect Mo from the possibility that he might get caught?
It's no wonder he has gotten away with this as long as he has.
555555555555 wrote:
trollism wrote:
And without distance running Kenya has absolutely zero sporting success.
And they're only good at that because they're all prepared to cheat as much as possible to be successful.
Every country has cheats. Some, like Kenya, it's more 'in the blood'.
What are your PRs again, slow boy?
Why are you interested in my (non doped) PRs?
Come again wrote:
Askin what wrote:
Why would the UKAD even deny this request, done by the world anti doping agency ?
It can only be a cover up.
+1. Shouldn't they have the same goals as WADA? What could they possibly gain by withholding the samples other than to protect Mo from the possibility that he might get caught?
It's no wonder he has gotten away with this as long as he has.
Bingo. Corrupt system with protection for specific athletes. This is as blatant as it gets.
LoneStarXC wrote:
Delay tactics- nothing else. It seems to me that they have no intent of ever releasing the samples. ?
Of course. If their argument were true (lol), they would now quickly hand over the old samples before the statute of limitations expires. That has been extended to ten years, so this delaying tactic is vital to cement Farah as "clean" double Olympic Champion in London.
As a Brit this makes me very sad.
I have long suspected that doping in wide spread in all sport, and in all countries. With all the smoke around Mo I have little faith in a system that refuses to pass on samples for analysis. UKAD are a disgrace, they are meant to be the bastion of protection for clean sport. They should hang their heads in shame!
I assume all elite athletes are taking various advantages and diving into the grey area. As a Brit too I would have like UK antidoping to any release samples if there was a valid reason so they could be tested however I wonder what and why the samples need to be tested?
Is this a fishing exercise based on the Nike Oregon project or just to hope to discredit ahead of the Olympics?
I wonder if this rigor wonder be applied to other athletes? I would if all the Nike Oregon athletes are happy to have their samples tested? I wonder if US anti doping would have the same reluctance if reallocate of medals would occur?
Seems most people on this forum haven’t read the article properly. The samples are being withheld as there is only a finite supply. Why waste them now when better testing methods may become available in say 2 years time? Everyone here would be mightily disappointed if they wasted the samples now instead of obtaining a positive test in the future. I find it laughable how El Keniano is suggesting that UKAD is dirty. People in the UK are fortunate that there are lots of well paid jobs that don’t involve desperate actions / sacrifice. Most kids end up giving up running between the ages of 14-18. Therefore the motivation to dope in a country such as the UK is much, much lower than somewhere such as Kenya. Not saying it can’t happen, just that it’s less likely. Also, the people using Froome and Wiggins as an example are also barking up the wrong tree. Both of them and team Sky came under tremendous scrutiny (including a parliamentary inquiry) and nothing serious was found to implicate either of them. Furthermore, a similar issue arose in 2017 relating to the release of samples and Farah was happy for his samples to be released - I imagine he would welcome it now also.