Performance Enhancing Shoes? Someone cut them in half.
Performance Enhancing Shoes? Someone cut them in half.
You are not likely to see Killian at a race he might be properly drug tested.
EJD wrote:
Nice run by Jim. Francesco Puppi put up a great fight and made it an interesting race.
Hayden had a solid race.
Kilian doesn't tend to run races where he would be representing Spain so you don't see him at the World Mountain Running Championships or the World Trail Running Championships. No African has won the Long Distance Mountain Championships so far. Petro Mamu of Eritrea finished first in 2017 but was DQed for doping.
dffff wrote:
Nope. Victim Joe Gray and the doping Ugandans don't do the real mountain runs. They do the short, "road" runs of the mountains.
They're most definitely not in Jim's league.
Bad trolling? Mountain running is distinctly it’s own defined category because it’s steeper and more technical than trailrunning, which is easier. Jim won the second tier long mountain race. Heck, he’s a midpacker in traditional cross country racing. There’s no way he could keep up with Joe or the Ugandans if they’d been there.
So in 2019 Walmsley has...
- OTQ Half Marathon
- Course Record Win at the biggest US 100 miler
- Won a 90k race
- Set the 50 mile world record
- Won a 42k mountain running world championship
Some trail races have suspect competition but that's a solid year
weak world mountain wrote:
Jim won the second tier long mountain race. Heck, he’s a midpacker in traditional cross country racing. There’s no way he could keep up with Joe or the Ugandans if they’d been there.
Joe Gray was there . DNF
http://www.wmrch2019.com.arweak world mountain wrote:
dffff wrote:
Nope. Victim Joe Gray and the doping Ugandans don't do the real mountain runs. They do the short, "road" runs of the mountains.
They're most definitely not in Jim's league.
Bad trolling? Mountain running is distinctly it’s own defined category because it’s steeper and more technical than trailrunning, which is easier. Jim won the second tier long mountain race. Heck, he’s a midpacker in traditional cross country racing. There’s no way he could keep up with Joe or the Ugandans if they’d been there.
Huh? There is a reason Gray and the Ugandans don't do the premier events like WS100. They're simply not cut out for it.
They do fine with sideshow short events of which no one knows about.
To fair, Many know of the classic distance mountain events in Europe, it's just your USA who is behind the times. Actually the athletes who are dominant in the short classic makes more money. Gray is making a ton just as Mamu and another eritrean athlete also living in Germany. Also, to give perspective on the long distance event. It's quite a weak event, Jim almost lost to Puppi whom Gray and Mamu both have beaten all season by large margins in much shorter distance.
Jim beat Puppi by less than 1 min in a trail marathon but Gray has beaten Puppi by 2+ minutes in 12k and also 18k here in Italy. USA is becoming quite strong all of a sudden. Maybe Jim and Joe are working with Salazar since USA team is Nike now.
Ultrahobbyjogger wrote:
So in 2019 Walmsley has...
- OTQ Half Marathon
- Course Record Win at the biggest US 100 miler
- Won a 90k race
- Set the 50 mile world record
- Won a 42k mountain running world championship
Some trail races have suspect competition but that's a solid year
Amen ! The guy loves to compete
Italiano mercialago wrote:
To fair, Many know of the classic distance mountain events in Europe, it's just your USA who is behind the times. Actually the athletes who are dominant in the short classic makes more money. Gray is making a ton just as Mamu and another eritrean athlete also living in Germany. Also, to give perspective on the long distance event. It's quite a weak event, Jim almost lost to Puppi whom Gray and Mamu both have beaten all season by large margins in much shorter distance.
Jim beat Puppi by less than 1 min in a trail marathon but Gray has beaten Puppi by 2+ minutes in 12k and also 18k here in Italy. USA is becoming quite strong all of a sudden. Maybe Jim and Joe are working with Salazar since USA team is Nike now.
Erm, Puppi does both, longer and shorter distances. Joe and Mamu don't. Ridiculous to use Puppi as a comparison as he is a different animal. Also, when has Puppi done the UTMB?? He hasn't. UTMB, WS100, Pikes Peak,,These are the worlds top trail events so don't pretend that those short easy races are. Also, please don't mention the convicted doper Mamu again. I don't know why they still let him run and he should have all of his records wiped off and all of the prize money returned. Likely his Eritrean friend is doing the same. Jornet makes 4-6X more money than any of the short distance mt runners.
I dont know if joe does but Mamu does. He is also not a doper per example, he was using a cold medicine not epo. Kilian should be in question here with his connection to the doctors of the quartz programs. Also I was not speaking about kilian in regards to earnings. Of course he makes the most, he has biggest contract but I would put mamu and Gray a close second/3rd when it comes to earnings and they compete primarily classic distance. Jim, Puppi and Hayden are not making anywhere near this amount.
Ah yes, cold medicine. Of course!
Real life Bert wrote:
You are not likely to see Killian at a race he might be properly drug tested.
Kilian Jornet gets tested more times in a calendar year than all American ultrarunners, male and female, put together. More talented, too.
Mamu:
"Mamu’s status is more troubling: he’s reported to have tested positive for a prohibited asthma medication after both the World Mountain Running Championships and World Long Distance Mountain Running Championships, and in 2017 was handed a two-year suspension that was reduced to nine months after he co-operated with the IAAF and admitted to doping."
https://runningmagazine.ca/trail-running/doping-questions-swirl-around-sierre-zinal-finishers/
Also, he failed TWO doping tests:
" Petro Mamu, who finished in second overall just under a minute behind Jornet, has failed two doping tests but only served a nine-month ban."
Call me when somebody breaks Carpenter’s ascent record at Pikes Peak or Wyatt’s time at Mount Washington, I’m going back to bed.
Marty Ice wrote:
Call me when somebody breaks Carpenter’s ascent record at Pikes Peak or Wyatt’s time at Mount Washington, I’m going back to bed.
Have a nice long sleep. We will wake you up in 17 years or so.
Marty Ice wrote:
Call me when somebody breaks Carpenter’s ascent record at Pikes Peak or Wyatt’s time at Mount Washington, I’m going back to bed.
Carpenter's record is impressive, but I guess I'm just don't see the fascination with a high altitude specialist race that few can train effectively for. Saying that as someone who runs in the mountains, but ones rising from sea level.
Joe and jim have both run faster than Matt ever got in the half marathon. Gray has run faster than Matt's records at a handful of races including mount washington. Correct me if I'm wrong but Joe has won more world titles and now so has Jim? Matt blew up and was outside of top 20 at a competitive championship. There was drug testing so makes ya wonder..
First off, congrats to Joe and Jim and Grayson on the wins!
As someone who has done all these types of races (I ran WMRA 12km worlds in 2012 with Joe and the team and the Long Distance Champs a week later that year.....as well as winning the Long Distance Champs in 2014). I've also done a few ultras and other mountain races. So I have some thoughts on this:
First off all (fact checking): Puppi (great dude!) did run Pikes Peak this year. He also ran Sierre-Zinal (I know because I was close to him for a lot of the race!). Him and Oriol Cardona were in the Golden Trail Series races but didn't score in the top 10 this year.
As far as QUARTZ/PED testing goes....yeah from what I've seen its a joke in most MUT Running events. Ultras, mountain stuff etc. If one is going to actually be tested they are know its going to be coming (i.e. finish line at UTMB or finish line at Pikes Peak or Sierre-Zinal). So theoretically you could just "taper off the juice" knowing this kind of testing is coming. Plus with QUARTZ health monitoring they let you take your own backpack (with a jar for a "urine sample") to your own private bathroom to pee in it! We can call it "health monitoring" but that is not real PED testing.
Finally (interesting QUARTZ data), we saw earlier this summer on the public website that Elisa Desco (former EPO positive) had consistent hemoglobin scores in the 13s, but then in August this year supposedly she tripped a 16.1 right before Sierre-Zinal. They have since taken this data down on the website., but I saw it before they did and even tried to post a link to it on iRunFar earlier last week (they seemed to have taken it down and/or moderated the comment). Maybe there are redoing the website or something but I thought it was kind of suspicious.
Now a simple blood test "health monitoring" from QUARTZ is not going to prove anything (clean or not clean), and it also doesn't even fall under WADA/IAAF rules/code penalty directly....so there's that too....
#cleansport