Leah O'Connor is right

ROJO

you guys backed out on your word and didn't ban Coevett for even a hour after he even admitted he said that Kenyans were the dumbest people he had ever met.

why do keep pulling out the ol' dog and pony show of "Hey just report posts, we'll take care of it" when you obviously won't

Bully one person is never right, regardless if there 50 trillion good running banter commentaries. All posters on Lets Run should respect each other, period!

therottingghost wrote:

malmo wrote:

If Leah is reading, I've always been against the crap that you speak of. Report the the offensive posts/threads. I've got a sledgehammer.

report a post it doesn't work. You guys love leaving the racist stuff up for days.

An entire thread showing blatantly racist Coevett posts that he even admitted to didn't even amount to a single day ban.

In fact I'm pretty sure you came out in his defense, as an example of someone that LRC needs to protect.

lol

No we dont leave racist stuff up for days.

malmo wrote:

therottingghost wrote:

report a post it doesn't work. You guys love leaving the racist stuff up for days.

An entire thread showing blatantly racist Coevett posts that he even admitted to didn't even amount to a single day ban.

In fact I'm pretty sure you came out in his defense, as an example of someone that LRC needs to protect.

lol

No we dont leave racist stuff up for days.

You certainly often leave it up for 24 hours or more while rapidly deleting any posts trying t point it out within minutes.

You're really going to deny this??????

I’m calling BS on her comments . Someone just sent her a screen shot of comments 4 and a half years ago ? I doubt it . It’s just her fishing for compliments.

1. Do you have any female moderators? If not, find some.

2. Require registration.

3. Suspend users whose posts generate repeated reports.

therottingghost wrote:

malmo wrote:

No we dont leave racist stuff up for days.

You certainly often leave it up for 24 hours or more while rapidly deleting any posts trying t point it out within minutes.

You're really going to deny this??????

Yes. Just because you think a post is racist doesnt make it so.

Coevett is one of the few LRC I actually dislike, but let me make this clear: stalking,harrassing and provoking him as you do will never get you a sympathetic ear. Also hijacking threads like this will never get you a sympathetic ear.

Use the report post function.

malmo wrote:

Yes. Just because you think a post is racist doesnt make it so.

Coevett is one of the few LRC I actually dislike, but let me make this clear: stalking,harrassing and provoking him as you do will never get you a sympathetic ear. Also hijacking threads like this will never get you a sympathetic ear.

Use the report post function.

Harassing Coevett? wth are you even talking about? You think every post complaining about Coevett's racist posts is one guy?

Just because you don't think a post is racist doesn't make it not.

Lol, so calling Kenyans the dumbest people he's ever met isn't racist? Repeatedly telling other posters to anally pleasure themselves with black dildos isn't grounds for a ban? Those are both posts that have been reported and yet he wasn't banned even for a day. Even after you and wejo said it would be grounds for a ban of shown to be true.....and they were. he admitted to both as well.

I'm not hijacking the thread, it's on topic. You guys are the ones that brought up your moderation policies. Commenting on their ineffectiveness isn't on topic?

rojo wrote:

If you have ideas as to how to better moderate, let us know.

If you're serious, here it is:

You need to get female moderators. You need moderators with actual experience of the sexism you are saying you want off the boards. The same goes for moderating the racist posts.

Sexism and racism are longtime problems on these boards, but have you ever made a post seeking women to moderate? Runners from various cultural backgrounds?

That's one idea!

malmo wrote:

therottingghost wrote:

report a post it doesn't work. You guys love leaving the racist stuff up for days.

No we dont leave racist stuff up for days.

19 days, in this case.

Premaster Cycle wrote:

malmo wrote:

No we dont leave racist stuff up for days.

19 days, in this case.

https://imgur.com/a/2WjnDyv

So you had to go back 7-years to find an instance when we missed something and left a racist post up for days? Not exactly making a strong point.

I can't really speak to the speed of the moderation system in 2012 because we've obviously tweaked and improved things over the years, but I can say in 2019 if someone reports a racist post, it gets promptly deleted. I get emails all the time reporting posts to be deleted (not usually racist stuff, but other complaints) and 90% of the time when I click on the link they sent, the post(s) they are reporting have already been deleted by a moderator. If something racist stays up for a significant length of time, then it's because it hasn't been reported and we didn't come across it on our own.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I don’t think boycotting them is the answer, but we should probably check our misogyny at the door with regards to this stuff.

Yup, that's it. You should "probably" just check your misogyny here and here only.

This is the problem.

Soprano wrote:

I can't really speak to the speed of the moderation system in 2012 because we've obviously tweaked and improved things over the years, but I can say in 2019 if someone reports a racist post, it gets promptly deleted. I get emails all the time reporting posts to be deleted (not usually racist stuff, but other complaints) and 90% of the time when I click on the link they sent, the post(s) they are reporting have already been deleted by a moderator. If something racist stays up for a significant length of time, then it's because it hasn't been reported and we didn't come across it on our own.

Steve, the thread reporting system has changed for the better. The unwieldy email-based reporting system has been augmented with a dashboard system that works nice. It basically becomes a work order. Kudos to you.

malmo wrote:

Soprano wrote:

I can't really speak to the speed of the moderation system in 2012 because we've obviously tweaked and improved things over the years, but I can say in 2019 if someone reports a racist post, it gets promptly deleted. I get emails all the time reporting posts to be deleted (not usually racist stuff, but other complaints) and 90% of the time when I click on the link they sent, the post(s) they are reporting have already been deleted by a moderator. If something racist stays up for a significant length of time, then it's because it hasn't been reported and we didn't come across it on our own.

Steve, the thread reporting system has changed for the better. The unwieldy email-based reporting system has been augmented with a dashboard system that works nice. It basically becomes a work order. Kudos to you.

Credit goes to Erik (the web guy). He's given us a lot of tools which make moderation and spam blocking much easier and more efficient.

Premaster Cycle wrote:

rojo wrote:

If you have ideas as to how to better moderate, let us know.

If you're serious, here it is:

You need to get female moderators. You need moderators with actual experience of the sexism you are saying you want off the boards. The same goes for moderating the racist posts.

Sexism and racism are longtime problems on these boards, but have you ever made a post seeking women to moderate? Runners from various cultural backgrounds?

That's one idea!

Agree with all of this. I will also toss in homophobia as a longtime problem on this board, so you should try to find some LGBT mods as well. Feels like this board is dominated by the same idiots who called me a f*g in high school.

Soprano wrote:

Premaster Cycle wrote:

19 days, in this case.

https://imgur.com/a/2WjnDyv

So you had to go back 7-years to find an instance when we missed something and left a racist post up for days? Not exactly making a strong point.

Soprano, you are making my point for me.

MANY POSTERS: You need to do better at moderation.

MOD: No, were are great at moderation. Just hit the report button.

POSTER 1: That doesn't always work. Sometimes racist and sexist post aren't taken down.

MOD: No, they are always taken down.

POSTER 2: Here is an example of a post with the N-word not taken taken for three weeks.

MOD: That post is old. Doesn't count.

Your response is remarkable, but no surprise. Rather than saying "Wow, a post with the N-word was up for three weeks! I'm sorry that was on our website," you choose to get defensive and say oh, the post was old, nothing to see here.

Think a bit. Do you think that I screenshot every single post on Letsrun that I don't like? No. I took a screenshot of this one because (1) it had the N-word, and (2) it was left up for three weeks in spite of repeated reports. I shared that one because it was particularly disgusting up for particularly long time. Do you think that because this one was from 2012 there have been no racist posts left up since? What an absurd conclusion.

Tell me:

- Do you understand that, in a thread about the poor climate on the board, your response completely reflects your own problem? (With a response like that, I can see why O'Connor posted on Instagram rather than trying to take it up with you.)

- Do you understand how, seeing racist and sexist posts stand for days and weeks, with some still standing today, people don't exactly buy that "report the post" is going to solve your problems?

People here are posting constructively, and you are getting adopting a defensive stance, outright denial, even. You could admit that moderation in its current state hasn't done the job, and you could do something about it. Or you can nitpick the examples and stick your head in the sand. Posters on this thread show little belief you are really serious about improving things, and so far you are proving them right.

You need to get female moderators. You need moderators with actual experience of the sexism you are saying you want off the boards. The same goes for moderating the racist posts.

Sexism and racism are longtime problems on these boards, but have you ever made a post seeking women to moderate? Runners from various cultural backgrounds?

sanchobaile wrote:

Premaster Cycle wrote:

If you're serious, here it is:

You need to get female moderators. You need moderators with actual experience of the sexism you are saying you want off the boards. The same goes for moderating the racist posts.

Sexism and racism are longtime problems on these boards, but have you ever made a post seeking women to moderate? Runners from various cultural backgrounds?

That's one idea!

Agree with all of this. I will also toss in homophobia as a longtime problem on this board, so you should try to find some LGBT mods as well. Feels like this board is dominated by the same idiots who called me a f*g in high school.

That is a great point and a great suggestion.

Has Leah ever read YouTube comments?

Seriously, she wants people to only say nice and encouraging things. Just wait until she gets a real job she’ll quickly see that not everyone is going to be nice.

New York Times- Washington post have you ever read those comments.

Bleacher. Report?

The amount of pro runners commenting on her post saying “ we all hate letsrun” are the same people probably going to letsrun.

There are a lot of trash posts on this site. Everyone knows that. You don’t like a post... Report it! Don’t like a thread report it.

The front page is actually great for running news and I can’t see why people can’t see past that.

RunaroundCle wrote:

Has Leah ever read YouTube comments?

So because garbage behavior exists somewhere else, that makes it ok? Again, this is the problem. Be better.