Jakob Ingebrigtsen 27:53 in road 10k

I think their easy runs might be slower or not always as fast. There is study with Henrik's training before becoming 2012 European champion and his easy days were around 4:30 I think. Pacing was HR based, so pace was result of keeping in prescribed HR range.

easyrunning?? wrote:

thunk wrote:

huh, is that different from what most runners do?

Yes. Few runners trains like this:

M: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

10x1k treshold pm

W: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

20x400m treshold pm

F: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

S: 2x10x200m uphill, 6-7 lactate

S: 20km long run at 3.45 pace

Also, 3:40 pace is not "easy running", its not hard but its not easy either.

It is also what Salazar has (had?) his athletes run. He forced Farah to run much faster on easy days, dropping his easy pace from 7 min miles which he called junk miles to 5:50, allowing him to drop to 5:30 as the easy run progresses. Salazar limits easy runs to MAX 90 sec/mile slower than 5k pace, so for a 13 flat runner, around 3:40/k on the roads (faster is ok).

The thing tho and this is why HS or college athletes shouldn't copy that is that these elites CAN recover from the fast easy runs. They have a much higher VO2MAX, use FAR more and better supplements than the average HS or NCAA runner AND have superior recovery facilities/free massages/phyiso etc. Not all D1 schools even got underwater treadmills or Alter G, and certainly none of them use thyroid hormones or overdoses of Vitamin D like elites team do.

I said it time and time again - copying the training of Ingebrigtsen (or Salazar or any other elite team) is a foolproof way to overtraining and burning out, EVEN if the paces get adjusted to someone's fitness level.

Yea this stuff about the Ingebrigtsens easy days is totally false. They run much slower than 3:40/km. As somebody else posted their easy days are HR based. It can be painfully slow. They even walk up hills if it’s getting their HR too high.

But LRP will find any excuse he can to repost his hate for Salazar about microdosing. Even on a thread like this with nothing related to Salazar/NOP at all.

I am getting seriously worried that 2019 could be this kid’s best season. Overracing, overtraining, burnout, etc. are real. Just ask the countless teen phenoms who peaked before they turned 20.

Making his debut at the distance, Jakob Ingebrigtsen broke Sondre Nordstad Moen’s Norwegian 10km record at the Hytteplanmila in Hole on Saturday (19) with victory in 27:54.

Due to his late arrival on the start-line, Ingebrigtsen began the race sporting his warm-up jacket but this didn’t slow the 19-year-old down too much.

The double European champion was just outside national record pace through the halfway point in 14:01 with the company of three other runners including his brother Filip Ingebrigtsen, Jakob's predecessor as European 1500m champion.

Filip dropped out of contention in the eighth kilometre as the pace began to pick up and Jakob brought Moen’s record of 27:55 into grasp with a scintillating final kilometre which he covered in 2:37.

"I did not come here to necessarily run fast but to fight for the victory and take part in a nice race," said Jakob.

Not only was Jakob’s time a national record, it was also the fastest time by a European in 2019 as well as being a European U20 10km best in what could be his last race as a junior.

Eritrea’s Samuel Tsegay was a distant second in 28:39 with Filip Ingebrigtsen, who was suffering from breathing problems in the latter kilometres, third in 28:40.

Otherwise it is worth mentioning Runars Abdullahi Dahir Rabi who was number 12 with 29:33. He is only 16 years old. A total of 19 men ran under 30 minutes and 71 runners under 32 minutes

Discussion wrote:

Filip Ingebrigtsen, who was suffering from breathing problems in the latter kilometres, third in 28:40.

That pesky Norwegian asthma tendency.

The math gals & guys and smart betting bookies say: Bet the field against Jacob Ingebrigtsen. Do not bet on Jacob Ing. ever winning Olympic &/or W.C. gold in 1500m &/or 5000m.

would kill to see his ass

Cannot overtrain wrote:

Need a break wrote:

When do they rest?

All they do is easy running, threshold, and speed.

Don’t need a break when you’re not burning the candle too hot.

Exactly

His development was started 10 years ago. It takes a decade to develop a world class athlete like him. Kudos to the fortitude and patience it took for him to get here.

easyrunning?? wrote:

thunk wrote:

huh, is that different from what most runners do?

Yes. Few runners trains like this:

M: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

10x1k treshold pm

W: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

20x400m treshold pm

F: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

S: 2x10x200m uphill, 6-7 lactate

S: 20km long run at 3.45 pace

Also, 3:40 pace is not "easy running", its not hard but its not easy either.

I’m pretty sure their easy miles are way slower.

Yeah, what a terrible, terrible season for him:

New PR 1500: 3.30.16,

NEW PR Mile: 3.51.30

New PR 5000: 13.02.03

New PR 10 k road: 27.54

All of them european youth records.

Medals:

Gold 3000 European indoor, silver 1500 european indoor, gold european cross U-20

5th 5000 Worlds, 4th 1500 worlds.

He must be soooo depressed....

Do road racing courses have to be certified by some official body as being measured correctly, in order for a record time to be accepted?

(not saying this course was not really 10k, just wondering who certifies it)

course gets measured each year and is certified by kondis.no. obviously they would never claim the records on a course that there was even the slightest doubt about. i ran it for the third time and everytime my gps (and everyone elses) measures it longer than 10k

Vaporflys?

why is no one mentioning that he ran a 10k race in that freaking speedsuit instead of shorts/singlet?

Jakob the G.O.A.T wrote:

Jakob Ingebrigsten is the future GOAT next to Kipchoge!!

He will win The Olympic Gold in the 1,500m, 1,600 & 5,000 in Tokyo!!

He's going to break Hicham El Guerrouj's 1,500m and 1600m and Bekele's 5,000m record for sure!

He even ran and kept pace with Kipchoge in the INEOS marathon. Proof that he is next in line to be the running GOAT!

Get back to me when you realize 1609 is a mile and not 1600

easyrunning?? wrote:

thunk wrote:

huh, is that different from what most runners do?

Yes. Few runners trains like this:

M: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

10x1k treshold pm

W: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

T:

6x5min treshold am

20x400m treshold pm

F: 10km am and pm (3:40/km pace)

S: 2x10x200m uphill, 6-7 lactate

S: 20km long run at 3.45 pace

Also, 3:40 pace is not "easy running", its not hard but its not easy either.

Come on.......you cant post one week of training that likely came months ago during a non race phase and call it a some sort of magic pill. Poeple post 1 week training on here all the time and its a joke. What is done before and after counts.

I am sure that he is pounding long VO2 max intervals leading into these races.