What's different about Bekele this time??? - Jos Herman!!! - Do it my way or retire....

I doubt it. He is at the twilight of his career. There is still a huge difference between doing this as part of a controlled stunt where you are rendered constant aid, pacing, and wind drafting versus breaking 2 hours on a legitimate course/conditions. It will surely happen eventually but unlikely that Kipchoge will be the one to do it.

1. Better training

2. Better discipline

3. Better drugs

4. Better Cheater shoes

zxczxcv wrote:

Jos Hermens is connected to both Healing Hans and Operacion Puerto, plus many suspect athletes. What he did here was essential and in public, that he had said that Bekele wasn't able to prepare properly with his family and businesses, so that he got him fit and healthy, and with better habits, even though it wasn't at altitude, and then he still had his stint back at 7k and up to 10-11k altitude in Ethiopia for three months to do this. What they could do next time is have him train with Kipchoge in Kenya! No nonsense there and plenty of sleep.

“I didn’t come out here today to pace the GOAT in workouts or races” - Eliud Kipchoge, probably

I think there is virtually zero possibility that Kipchoge wants Bekele at his training monastery. I get the impression Eliud likes a little breathing room (see: whoever he paced in London recently or Adola in Berlin) to work his magic. Throwing the now 2:01 Bekele into the mix would not be beneficial to what that group has been doing.

Tron wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Can you provide links to any articles that support all this bullsh*t.

Hello, I posted this right above yours..

https://www.nnrunningteam.com/news/2019-09-03-kenenisa-reconstructed/

I didn't see this in the article:

"Herman told him we do it my way or we dont do this at all. Herman told him he wont waste his time with the old ways."

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Tron wrote:

Hello, I posted this right above yours..

https://www.nnrunningteam.com/news/2019-09-03-kenenisa-reconstructed/

I didn't see this in the article:

"Herman told him we do it my way or we dont do this at all. Herman told him he wont waste his time with the old ways."

Yes, that exact quote is not in the article..however obviously he suggested a change if he wants to succeed and most of what was in the OP was in the article

Tron wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I didn't see this in the article:

"Herman told him we do it my way or we dont do this at all. Herman told him he wont waste his time with the old ways."

Yes, that exact quote is not in the article..however obviously he suggested a change if he wants to succeed and most of what was in the OP was in the article

Hermans telling the GOAT distance runner to do it his way or retire is ridiculous and shouldn't have been stated as a fact by the OP. It didn't happen.

Can we get the LRC staff to do an interview with Jos about Bekele's buildup on Berlin?

Major point I noticed watching when I turned it on at 15K was that the FIRST thing I thought was "Bekele is fit as hell. He is 20 pounds lighter than he was in Amsterdam."

woow im so shocked

celery wrote:

This article shows that the story of only training for 3 months is not true.

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My guess is people are thinking that training and running are the same thing. I am getting out the door and running everyday, for example, but I don't have a race planned and I'm not doing tough sessions. I'll do strides or hill repeats, or some harder miles sometimes just for variety. Once I find a race, I'll put in a harder 10~14 weeks of specific training. My guess is this is the same idea. Highly unlikely he was completely sitting on the couch day and night, then put on his shoes three months before Berlin to prepare.

doot doot wrote:

I think there is virtually zero possibility that Kipchoge wants Bekele at his training monastery. I get the impression Eliud likes a little breathing room (see: whoever he paced in London recently or Adola in Berlin) to work his magic. Throwing the now 2:01 Bekele into the mix would not be beneficial to what that group has been doing.

I agree. It also seems like the Kenyan groups are about ten years ahead of the Ethiopian teams as well in terms of PT assistance, nutrition and just dedication to training. If Bekele could theoretically train in Kenya, I bet he would improve. This is all based on the NN article they posted about his lifestyle and training.

Steven St. Croix wrote:

the FIRST thing I thought was "Bekele is fit as hell. He is 20 pounds lighter than he was in Amsterdam."

Thyroid supplementation is a hell of a thing for keeping weight off.

Ask Alberto and Galen.

Martymart wrote:

Fun post wrote:

Fun post to read, you can tell that you are ecstatic, but numbers dont lie and Kipchoge's number is still the lowest, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kipchoge knocks off another 15 -30 seconds in the next couple years.

Kipchoge will break 2 at the INEOS challenge, then go back to Berlin and be the 1st to break 2 hours in a legitimate Berlin marathon.

Kipchoge's worked for this, his simple schedule with primitive like living has put him into form just like before. Now though in Bekele you have someone who's used this approach and is at or near Kipchoge's level.

A couple of 2hr marathoners from rival countries toeing the line not distracted by time, bonuses, and corporate ties but focused on racing? This now moves to racing and the competitive desire to show their best is enough.

A great day for sport and to show Bekele's fortitude

Bekele should bandit the sub 2 attempt. Just turn up on the day and start running along side Kipchoge

Or even better INEOS should throw some money at him and make it official. Big Ken vs Kipchoge SUB 2 SHOWDOWN.

I haven’t read anyone on whether it was a big deal that Bekele was challenged for the first 35K whereas last year Eliud was on his own after, what, 20K? Would Kipchoge have lowered his time with someone on his case for 30-35K?

Kipchoge would've been ahead of that guy anyway. Bekele was working out a tight hamstring from 30-35k before he put the hammer down so it seemed closer than it was. If he hadn't had that hiccup I think he goes low 2:01.

Sampo wrote:

Herman asked Bekele to move to Holland. A county side. He put him on a strict diet. Bekele was over weight. He lost a lot of weight. He had a special doctor looking after his injury. They had him 24/7 doing 100s of k per week. Bekele had committed to this training methods.

The result is a healthy Bekele who trained well for this.

Thanks for the interesting info.

"special doctor in Holland" wrote:

Steven St. Croix wrote:

the FIRST thing I thought was "Bekele is fit as hell. He is 20 pounds lighter than he was in Amsterdam."

Thyroid supplementation is a hell of a thing for keeping weight off.

Ask Alberto and Galen.

Dramatic physical changes; sudden spikes in performance - red flags, as usual.

Kipchoge will break 2 at the INEOS challenge, then go back to Berlin and be the 1st to break 2 hours in a legitimate Berlin marathon.

Kipchoge ain't running Berlin until 2021 at the earliest, the Olympics are next year. If Bekele had found three more seconds he might have kept the WR for a long time.... Kipchoge would be 37 by the time of his next Berlin attempt, then what if the weather is bad, etc?

malmo wrote:

First and last, he looked lean and fit.

I don't think that in any of his marathons did Bekele train properly. He always looked soft. I think that Hermans had said in the past that Bekele's marathon preparation wasn't up to par.

And the lesson learned for the Kipchoge fanatics: A well trained Bekele is a dangerous Bekele.