MAKH DADDY IS BACK BABBY

Coevett wrote:

Ex-Runner is determined to be known as the biggest doping apologist on this board.

Nah.

2/10

EP-no wrote:

ZG wrote:

Ashamedly, I have used it. I went from a struggling 3:52 (typically 3:55-4:00) to a 3:40 man almost overnight. My last 400m was the greatest change that I encountered. I no longer got the tired and heavy lactic feeling anymore. I was free to run. In fact, I ran 56 sec for my last lap in my 3:40 race. This was quite a long time ago, and it was a very bad decision. I could have died. I had no idea what I was doing. In summary, yes, it most certainly helps with the kick. As others get tired and are dying, you are just fine.

Speaking openly, I wholeheartedly regret having done this. As an older man now, when I am at home visiting my mum, I see the club record written in the club's change room; and it gives an overwhelming sense of guilt.

2/10

I honestly wish I were trolling.

ZG wrote:

EP-no wrote:

2/10

I honestly wish I were trolling.

3:52 to 3:40 for 1500? Around a 6% improvement. Did you change anything else in your training, or just that? What did it feel like?

6% improvement wrote:

ZG wrote:

I honestly wish I were trolling.

3:52 to 3:40 for 1500? Around a 6% improvement. Did you change anything else in your training, or just that? What did it feel like?

Ugh. I should not even have opened this up. When I say "overnight", I should clarify: it was less than 12 months. I ran 3:55 maxed out in early August and 3:40.xx the next year in late June. As it's a small world, I have to be careful not to get too skecifuc; but suffice it to say that I ran three more races before the end of the summer in almost the exact time. That all being said, regarding training, I was able to increase the volume of my track sessions drastically. My poor decision making started with a holiday in Spain after my 3:55 season. The EPO was easy to get, and I was mentored by a talented "friend", whose name fans of cycling would likely know. I made 4 trips to Spain over the ensuing months specifically to purchase the Epo. Young, stupid, and lucky is the only way to describe this period. I took folate, b12, and iron as further supplementation. I used the Epo in cycles, using 2k (?) units 3x week for 4 weeks then a maintenance of 2x week for another 3 weeks. It has been many years, but I think that's what it was. No doubt, this was some weird Spanish drug, and epo types have probably changed significantly as well. I always checked my haemoglobin after 10 days to 2 weeks then every 3-4 days. I used a simple and reliable machine done via finger prick.

The ability to manage sessions that I'd not ever dreamed of was commonplace. My training programme was essentially the same as the year previous in outline, but the volume and pace changed dramatically (ex: 16x400 at 60 instead of 10x400 at 62).

I remember my recovery being scary fast both in sessions and between sessions. My tolerance to longer runs also changed dramatically. There was a 2:18 marathoner in our club at the time, and I remember how surprised he was as I went longer and longer with him on Sundays. He typically was the only one in the club that went past 14-15.

So, as stated, by no means am I trolling. The drug works almost like magic, especially if you are prepared to put in the work. Imagine if an athlete was naturally a 3:40 runner, and THEN took it...?

Also as stated, I am ashamed to have done this years ago, and would take it back were I able. From an ethical standpoint, I failed miserably. From a health standpoint, I could have easily killed myself by stroke.

Any further questions?

PROUD LION IS BACK!!!

*Note that I had run my 3:52 as a one off two seasons BEFORE I began using the Epo. Typically, I was a 3:55-4:00 athlete.

More like Lasse Viren.

Coevett wrote:

Ex-Runner is determined to be known as the biggest doping apologist on this board.

Says the guy who just knows every African and Arab is doped to the gills but thinks Seb Coe and Steve Cram were not.

What makes you think you could have had a stroke.

I am unaware of an epidemic of strokes at the highest level of track yet and pretty sure a lot of doping has gone on

Wut makes you think wrote:

What makes you think you could have had a stroke.

I am unaware of an epidemic of strokes at the highest level of track yet and pretty sure a lot of doping has gone on

Google:

Epo cyclists death

Epo doping death

Epo side effects

Epo and stroke

Epo and thromboembolism

Epo and heart attack

ZG wrote:

Ugh. I should not even have opened this up.

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Any further questions?

I'm glad you did. I appreciate your honesty, and don't need to know who you are.

regular poster and sometime troll wrote:

ZG wrote:

Ugh. I should not even have opened this up.

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Any further questions?

I'm glad you did. I appreciate your honesty, and don't need to know who you are.

You're kind. You can see that even as an older man now, it still haunts me. I would have preferred to stay a 3:52 runner with a clear conscience.

ZG wrote:

Ugh. I should not even have opened this up.

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Any further questions?

What was your hematocrit before and after taking it? I'm curious how much you were able to change it.

ZG,

How many British Club runners like yourself do you believe are doping? 10%? 20%? And if that's Britain, what do you think of Spain? 30% 40%

The Iron Knee wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Ex-Runner is determined to be known as the biggest doping apologist on this board.

Says the guy who just knows every African and Arab is doped to the gills but thinks Seb Coe and Steve Cram were not.

And the evidence that Steve Cram was a doper being that he was white, and white people shouldn't be able to run as fast as doped up East Africans?

ex-runner wrote:

Same improvement as Grice but nobody suspicious about that. He's been running 3:35 every year since 2014 then suddenly 3:30 at age 25.

Err.. you mean apart from running 3:33 at age 22 and 3:34 at age 24 (hit by injury problems at age 23/in 2017)?

And his 3:30 was at Monaco.

You're just embarrassing mate.

ex-runner wrote:

You take masking agents also but you know the half lives of the drugs you've taken, so if a tester turns up when you know you'd test positive you just dodge it. If they turn up outside your glowing window you take the test and pass. You'd have to be unlucky for them to turn up three times when you are in your hot window.

Not much has changed.

David S wrote:

ZG wrote:

Ugh. I should not even have opened this up.

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Any further questions?

What was your hematocrit before and after taking it? I'm curious how much you were able to change it.

As so many years have passed, I don't remember 100% what my initial start value was. I believe the haematocrit was 40 (?). I had a period where my hct was as high as 52, and panicked. 2 liters of IV fluids from the aforementioned "friend" resolved the issue.

Regarding the percentage of club runners using nefarious means, I could not say. It would only be speculation, and that would not be fair.

I'm only fortunate in that my meteoric improvement was relegated to the fact that I was then out of university, and had become more physically mature with an additional increased time to rest. I moved to the USA for a job opportunity the November after the 3:40 season, and almost felt relief that I would no longer be racing for my club. As alluded to more than once, my guilt weighed heavy.

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Same improvement as Grice but nobody suspicious about that. He's been running 3:35 every year since 2014 then suddenly 3:30 at age 25.

Err.. you mean apart from running 3:33 at age 22 and 3:34 at age 24 (hit by injury problems at age 23/in 2017)?

And his 3:30 was at Monaco.

You're just embarrassing mate.

ex-runner wrote:

You take masking agents also but you know the half lives of the drugs you've taken, so if a tester turns up when you know you'd test positive you just dodge it. If they turn up outside your glowing window you take the test and pass. You'd have to be unlucky for them to turn up three times when you are in your hot window.

Not much has changed.

No you are genuinely so embarrassing to yourself it's hard to put into words.

Grice and Musagala's improvement is almost EXACTLY the same.

Grice first broke 3:40 at age 20 with 3:38 and Musagala first broke 3:40 at age 21 with 3:38

They were both 3:35 runners in 99% of races as seniors, both had run 3:33 a few years ago both have 1:45 800m PBs from a few years ago and both broke through with 3:30 this year.

Grice is 25, Musagala is 26.

You are EXTREMELY dense to not draw parallels between these two athletes.