First transgender athlete June Eastwood to compete in women’s DI XC this fall, has pbs of 1:55/3:50/14:38

How many events are you allowed to run in?

come on already.... wrote:

I wonder how long June has been transitioning and if the reduced testosterone level guidelines have been followed. If I'm remembering correctly the testosterone levels have to be reduced down to the upper normal level for females for at least 12 months? Can someone verify that or correct that?

Nope. There are no rules for NCAA. You can pretty much compete as is, as Craig Telfer showed

doesn't even matter wrote:

come on already.... wrote:

I wonder how long June has been transitioning and if the reduced testosterone level guidelines have been followed. If I'm remembering correctly the testosterone levels have to be reduced down to the upper normal level for females for at least 12 months? Can someone verify that or correct that?

Nope. There are no rules for NCAA. You can pretty much compete as is, as Craig Telfer showed

The following is what I found online, but am not sure it's current.

"1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone

for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes

of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s

team without changing that team status to a mixed team.

2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for

Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition

may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without

changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression

treatment.

Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate

in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.

• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may

participate on a men’s or women’s team.

• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to

gender transition may not compete on a women’s team."

doesn't even matter wrote:

come on already.... wrote:

I wonder how long June has been transitioning and if the reduced testosterone level guidelines have been followed. If I'm remembering correctly the testosterone levels have to be reduced down to the upper normal level for females for at least 12 months? Can someone verify that or correct that?

Nope. There are no rules for NCAA. You can pretty much compete as is, as Craig Telfer showed

When June throws down a 14:30 5k, that will be embarrassing to watch. Next up gold medal.

Only Trump can stop this liberal madness.

We need him 4 more years folks. #Trump2020

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doesn't even matter wrote:

come on already.... wrote:

I wonder how long June has been transitioning and if the reduced testosterone level guidelines have been followed. If I'm remembering correctly the testosterone levels have to be reduced down to the upper normal level for females for at least 12 months? Can someone verify that or correct that?

Nope. There are no rules for NCAA. You can pretty much compete as is, as Craig Telfer showed

No, there are rules requiring hormone treatment for NCAA transgenders. It's far from a given that she will run the same times after the transition:

Was going to ask as well if the NCAA requires 2 years of hormone therapy.

Personally, I don’t care if trans women or intersex women compete against XX women PROVIDED they’ve done the 2 years required hormone therapy. We’ve yet to see a case where an XY woman under consistent hormone therapy has been dominant.

If anything, we’ve seen that XY women on hormone therapy struggle greatly.

That's accurate but the key is there is no defined T limit. So you can take a negligible amount of "hormone treatment" with no real performance loss and get a doctor to sign off and you're good to go. Hence why Cece Telfer ran just as fast as a female as male.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

No, there are rules requiring hormone treatment for NCAA transgenders. It's far from a given that she will run the same times after the transition:

See above comment, the "requirements" are trivial

Dwightarm wrote:

Was going to ask as well if the NCAA requires 2 years of hormone therapy.

Personally, I don’t care if trans women or intersex women compete against XX women PROVIDED they’ve done the 2 years required hormone therapy. We’ve yet to see a case where an XY woman under consistent hormone therapy has been dominant.

If anything, we’ve seen that XY women on hormone therapy struggle greatly.

After 2 years or 20 years... their DNA, bones, muscles, tissues... all stay male.

ojsimpson wrote:

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This is just stupid. (And I supported the exclusion of Caster competing uninhibited against XX women.)

This trans woman has yet to debut on the track. There’s no way she will run 14:30 or even sub 15. History has shown us that a mid-tier male on hormone therapy will become... a mid-tier female.

At best, I place her 5k times at 15:45.

ojsimpson wrote:

After 2 years or 20 years... their DNA, bones, muscles, tissues... all stay male.

Absolutely true. Agreed. But they have a huge disadvantage in trying to run in a new, slower, more injury prone and ever changing body.

I’m no scientist but I don’t buy it that a trans woman can just hop up on estrogen hormones and still blast XX women. They have a ton of stuff to deal with in basically running in a new body.

Dwightarm wrote:

This trans woman has yet to debut on the track. There’s no way she will run 14:30 or even sub 15. History has shown us that a mid-tier male on hormone therapy will become... a mid-tier female.

At best, I place her 5k times at 15:45.

If June is truly trying to transition and get her hormone levels equivalent to an average woman's we should see a decrease in performance of about 12% or thereabouts.

3:50 would turn into about 4:18 and 14:38 would end up closer to 16:23.

A storm is coming wrote:

There is an athlete competing this fall in women’s cross country on a division one team who once was on a male cross country team at the division one level with PB’s of 3:50 in the 1500 and 14:38 in the 5000m.

This is going to shake some things up and force the NCAA to examine how it will handle this new occurrence. I can’t see how this athlete won’t be the favorite at the NCAA championships.

I fear for women’s sports in the NCAA.

A person cannot just one day decide to be a female and race in NCAA competition, they have established rules about this. Please stop sensationalizing this and learn the facts.

NCAA RULES

A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for

Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without

changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression

treatment.

Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.

A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to

gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.

ojsimpson wrote:

Only Trump can stop this liberal madness.

We need him 4 more years folks. #Trump2020

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1100384478894149633

Trump prefers athletes whose p*ssy he can grab.

rojo wrote:

A technical reading of the rules show that you could take T therapy as a freshman. Then run your sophomore junior and senior years with no therapy whatsoever.

FALSE!

"A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to

gender transition may not compete on a women’s team."

Please oh please, select Jonathan for Team USA. I really want to see him humiliate the intersex runners and the Kenyan female dopers.

Dwightarm wrote:

ojsimpson wrote:

After 2 years or 20 years... their DNA, bones, muscles, tissues... all stay male.

Absolutely true. Agreed. But they have a huge disadvantage in trying to run in a new, slower, more injury prone and ever changing body.

I’m no scientist but I don’t buy it that a trans woman can just hop up on estrogen hormones and still blast XX women. They have a ton of stuff to deal with in basically running in a new body.

Renee Richards, the trans tennis player who coached Martina Navratilova, says you are wrong. She is recently reported as saying the athletes who have transitioned in their prime (their early twenties) should not be permitted to compete as against women as they will still be far too strong. Drugs don't remove all of the male advantages they have acquired. She transitioned in her thirties, and was still good enough to beat most women; she says if she had transitioned in her early twenties she would have beaten everyone on the women's tour.