Is Sebastian Coe the only white distance runner in the top 10?

lame troll wrote:

Sir Mo Farah: GOAT wrote:

Very amusing double troll. First you miss the DOUBLE double Olympic Champion from your list which is laughable. Plus you added your racist angle as well. Moran.

How is it racist to point out at the majority of the best runners of all time are Africans?

If somebody posted a thread with the title - Is Bekele the only black distance runner in the top 10 greatest?', and made a list of Zatopek, Nurmi, Snell etc he'd be widely assumed to be racist, but it's o.k. to do the same for African runners who not only had the advantage of being able to compete in World Championships, but more importantly all active in the decade when EPO was available and untestable for.

Coevett wrote:

Well for a start it's difficult to see how you can claim Rudisha is a greater 'distance runner' than Coe. Unless it's because you believe Rudisha is clean (and we know you think Coe was dirty). But then surely nobody, including you, is basing this list on who is likely to have been clean or dirty?

Well I went with the OP's criteria who apparently included mid-distance runners and didn't care about who's clean and who isn't.

Coevett wrote:

And no I didn't promise anything.

"promise" is a bit too much, yes, but:

Coevett wrote:

Well maybe it's best we don't debate with each other

At some point you also wrote that you'll stop responding to me, but I can't find that right now. But then, you also wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I can't recall ever on my time in this forum referring to skin color

So you are not exactly a serious poster.

Coevett wrote:

No, it's quite reasonable to believe that Willis is the clean WR holder. Most of the names above him are pretty obvious EPO era cheats. Notice I include Cacho in that.

Why do you see Cacho as one the "at most 5%" of white cheats? Lol.

Coevett wrote:

To be frank, I would guess that at most 5% of white runners are doping, whereas amongst elite African/Arabs the figure is closer to 95%

casual obsever wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Shows your prejudice.

Where do you see prejudice there? I replaced a Brit with a Brit, and a Moroccan with a Kenyan. Anti-Moroccan?

Or, 800 - 5000 m stars with 800 - 10000 m stars? Pro-10000?

I know you are trying to be cute, but didn't you promise to stop trolling me?

Why do you think Morceli should be on that list and not Peter Snell, or for that matter Herb Elliott? Why is Rudisha a better 'distance runner' than Peter Snell or Seb Coe. Snell not only matched Rudisha's achievements over 800m, he won a 1500m gold and broke the Mile WR, before almost being forced to retire for financial reasons (like virtually every runner before the professional era) when he was at his peak. Why, for that matter, is Aouita a better distance runner than Snell or Coe. Aouita won one Olympic gold in an event that was almost the 1500m B race of its day, and one WC gold (which wasn't available to athletes before the 80s). He won two middle-distance bronze medals. Both Snell and Coe's resumes are far superior, but I guess they had the wrong skin color for you.

Coevett wrote:

lame troll wrote:

How is it racist to point out at the majority of the best runners of all time are Africans?

If somebody posted a thread with the title - Is Bekele the only black distance runner in the top 10 greatest?', and made a list of Zatopek, Nurmi, Snell etc he'd be widely assumed to be racist, but it's o.k. to do the same for African runners who not only had the advantage of being able to compete in World Championships, but more importantly all active in the decade when EPO was available and untestable for.

That would be factually incorrect but racist? Not even slightly. Which white guys are missing from this list? Just because 9 of the men listed are African doesn't mean the OP is anti-white.

Coevett wrote:

So I'm the evil racist for trying to counter the myth that East (and North) Africans are somehow on a different genetic plane to the rest of humanity. Threads like this, and posts like this, should be banned for explicit racism. I wonder how many young non-African middle-distance athletes have come to these boards and just had the motivation and belief crushed out of them by the racist weirdos here. And you'll stick to your faith (and threaten people like me who point you out) no matter how many East African cheats continue to get busted.

Yes...there's a lot of E. Africans getting busted lately simply for the fact that they're being tested more OOC and the new WADA-accredited lab (PLK) is up & running in Nairobi (3 ABP cases in the last few months).

But it's not just the Kenyans. We still have the Russians getting busted and banned coaches associating with athletes, despite the IAAF still upholding Russia's ban at least through this year's WC . Ukraine & Belarus are ramping it up and are now on the IAAF's doping watch list. Bahrain has been getting nailed a lot lately. And across the Persian Gulf, Iran's SC national record holder & Asian champion just received a 4-yr ban for using rocket fuel! Lol

And don't forget Operation Aderlass out of Germany. You may think it's just cyclists and XC skiers, but the initial reports indicated at least 21 athletes are involved and the Honolulu Marathon may have been involved. So, it's not just the East Africans...but quite a few other nations as well.

Coevett wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

I agree that he is lame, but there are worse trolls. And letsrun isn't exactly against trolling or racism, so no surprise here.

Trolling is coming back under different names to support yourself, even to the extent of doing it quite sophisticatedly with different 'personas' (such as your alter ego 'Spade Detector').

Not to mention that you're likely a Putin troll out to render any serious discussion of doping impossible here.

How in the heck can casual obsever be a "Putin troll" when he's criticized & mocked Russian doping so many times? ?

What's Up With This? wrote:

How in the heck can casual obsever be a "Putin troll" when he's criticized & mocked Russian doping so many times? ?

I can't remember this. He has been mentioning Russian athletes a little bit recently, since I started accusing him of being a Putin troll. But on the whole, he claims that literally everybody dopes, that Brits and West Germans were as bad as the GDR in the 70s/80s, and together with Rekrunner, ruins every doping thread with their endless discussion on whether EPO works.

Coevett wrote:

What's Up With This? wrote:

How in the heck can casual obsever be a "Putin troll" when he's criticized & mocked Russian doping so many times? ?

I can't remember this. He has been mentioning Russian athletes a little bit recently, since I started accusing him of being a Putin troll. But on the whole, he claims that literally everybody dopes, that Brits and West Germans were as bad as the GDR in the 70s/80s, and together with Rekrunner, ruins every doping thread with their endless discussion on whether EPO works.

And you ruin every thread by saying crazy stuff like "no African has run 3:33 clean." You're a joke.

1 - Bekele

2 - Kipchoge

3 - Tergat

4 - Komen

5 - Lagat

6 - El G

7 - Kiprop

8 - Kejelcha

9 - Yifter

10 - Ramzi

Surely you can find someone to replace Daniel Komen on that list.

Maybe Henry Rono.

For white guys better than Daniel Komen:

John Walker

Steve Ovett

Steve Cram

Birmingham, Zatopek, Viren that you mentioned could all replace Komen.

Holding a non championship record like the 3k a long time doesn’t get you on the all time list.

thread derailer wrote:

And you ruin every thread by saying crazy stuff like "no African has run 3:33 clean." You're a joke.

LOL, I've said that maybe twice, in threads like this which are explicitly racist and anti-white. Here, I've pointed out the absurdity of compiling a list of 'greatest ever runners' in which 9 of the 10 happened to be active in the brief window of full throttle EPO. The fact that the only guy from outside the EPO era that you can't deny still belongs in the top 10 was white, sort of disproves the racist notion of African supremacy itself.

The top running forum online continues to propagate the racist idea that 4/5 of the world's population, including most of the young athletes who will visit this place, can't compete at the top because of their skin color. It's time the Brojos did something about this.

Coevett wrote:

What's Up With This? wrote:

How in the heck can casual obsever be a "Putin troll" when he's criticized & mocked Russian doping so many times? ?

I can't remember this. He has been mentioning Russian athletes a little bit recently, since I started accusing him of being a Putin troll. But on the whole, he claims that literally everybody dopes, that Brits and West Germans were as bad as the GDR in the 70s/80s, and together with Rekrunner, ruins every doping thread with their endless discussion on whether EPO works.

Not true...I've been discussing & criticizing Russian doping with him on lots of posts for over the last year or so (e.g., Savinova, Poistagova, Tomashova, etc.). A "Putin troll" would defend Russian doping and justify it by saying they're just trying to level the playing field and so on (I know -- I have an acquaintence at the gym who just immigrated here from Russia who thinks it's completely justified that the Russians are doping!).

And if there's anyone that seems to be minimizing the huge impact of Russian doping it's been rekrunner with his endless trolling that the Russian's marathoners don't run faster than the Japanese, only a handful run faster than his clean pre-1990 times, Shobukhova's high Hct had nothing to do with her record setting top OA marathon time, and so on and so forth.

lil sebby wrote:

The top 10 runners of all time, listed in no particular order within each section:

1-3

Kenenisa Bekele

Haile Gebrselassie

Hicham El Guerrouj

4-6

Noureddine Morceli

Eliud Kipchoge

Daniel Komen

7-10

Paul Tergat

Said Aouita

Sebastian Coe

Moses Kiptanui

Aside from Seb Coe, I can't think of a single non-African that belongs on this list. Who am I missing? Nurmi, Zatopek, and Viren all come to mind but I don't see who I could replace.

Your list contains three white runners not named Sebastian Coe. Did you not notice this? Or are you suggesting that Charlize Theron is black? She is, after all, "African".

Think these guys could win 2019 Natty XC with Geb and El G start to train now?

Bekele

Geb

Farah

El G

Kipchoge

Coevett wrote:

thread derailer wrote:

And you ruin every thread by saying crazy stuff like "no African has run 3:33 clean." You're a joke.

LOL, I've said that maybe twice, in threads like this which are explicitly racist and anti-white. Here, I've pointed out the absurdity of compiling a list of 'greatest ever runners' in which 9 of the 10 happened to be active in the brief window of full throttle EPO. The fact that the only guy from outside the EPO era that you can't deny still belongs in the top 10 was white, sort of disproves the racist notion of African supremacy itself.

Well...then; give us your top 10 list? Will there be any Africans on your list? How about your fellow countryman Farah? He's African but runs under the Union Jack where GB claims all the glory & honor (in fact, hasn't he been Knighted for his great accomplishments for the nation?).

Coevett wrote:

Does it honestly not bother any of you in the slightest that by some massive co-incidence, in the 120+ year history of distance running, that 9 of the top 10 'greatest' ever happened to be in active in the relatively very brief 12 year period or so (say 1992-2004) when the world's only ever endurance drug was available and was virtually untested for? Why not just throw in Ramzi and Kiprop in there, it wouldn't concern 90% of you, would it? You're probably far more upset at the presence of a 'whitey' in there.

At least two of your "9 of the top 10" had their peak years well outside your "very brief 12 year period or so (say 1992-2004)"

Said Aouita's last international appearance was in 1991 in the Tokyo World Championships where he finished 11th in the 1500 meters. His peak years were 1984 to 1989. In the early nineties, Aouita underwent surgery on his leg, after which his doctors advised him to put an end to his career as an athlete for his health. After a set of failures in a number of races he decided to quit athletics.

Eliud Kipchoge was still a junior at the end of your "EPO era" in 2004. Until he switched to the marathon in 2013 he had a good, but not remarkable, record at shorter distances.

Coevett wrote:

thread derailer wrote:

And you ruin every thread by saying crazy stuff like "no African has run 3:33 clean." You're a joke.

LOL, I've said that maybe twice, in threads like this which are explicitly racist and anti-white. Here, I've pointed out the absurdity of compiling a list of 'greatest ever runners' in which 9 of the 10 happened to be active in the brief window of full throttle EPO. The fact that the only guy from outside the EPO era that you can't deny still belongs in the top 10 was white, sort of disproves the racist notion of African supremacy itself.

The top running forum online continues to propagate the racist idea that 4/5 of the world's population, including most of the young athletes who will visit this place, can't compete at the top because of their skin color. It's time the Brojos did something about this.

Settle down. No one in this thread is suggesting that whites are inferior or making claims about "African superiority." Just because someone only has one white athlete in their top 10 doesn't mean they hate white people. If I made a list it would be very similar to the OP's, though I'd probably replace a few guys with Viren and Nurmi. Most if not all of the athletes listed were likely doping anyway, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

lil sebby wrote:

The top 10 runners of all time, listed in no particular order within each section:

1-3

Kenenisa Bekele

Haile Gebrselassie

Hicham El Guerrouj

4-6

Noureddine Morceli

Eliud Kipchoge

Daniel Komen

7-10

Paul Tergat

Said Aouita

Sebastian Coe

Moses Kiptanui

Aside from Seb Coe, I can't think of a single non-African that belongs on this list. Who am I missing? Nurmi, Zatopek, and Viren all come to mind but I don't see who I could replace.

Your list contains three white runners not named Sebastian Coe. Did you not notice this? Or are you suggesting that Charlize Theron is black? She is, after all, "African".

"White people is a racial classification specifier, used mostly and often exclusively for people of European descent; depending on context, nationality, and point of view. The term has at times been expanded to encompass persons of Middle Eastern and North African descent (for example, in the US census definition), persons who are often considered non-white in other contexts."